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>> the changes we are trying to make is to make sure the teachers who are truly outstanding get paid more, not less. the teaching profession can be rewarded on the basis of achievement and accomplishment and held accountable for the results they provide. not results to a number in the sky. to show kids grow for the time they are there. >> okay. it's 6:00 on the east coast. that was governor chris christie last night in west windsor. good morning, everyone. >> people say it was west windsor. it's gorgeous. it was princeton. >> it's wednesday, june 29th. with us on set, we have -- >> look at this, mike barnicle. the hugging there. it was unfortunate. >> okay. >> willie, he claims his wife knew. >> no, it was a joke. there was a whole group there. anyhow, mike barnicle is here and columnist for news week, ezra klein. >> forget about the hugging, but how leaders do things differently. we mad scott walker on yesterday who admitted he pushed too quickly. >> yeah, that was interesting. >> chris christie, i guess here is the fascinating thing. chris christie gets elected in 2009 and starts a battle saying state government, this can't continue. we have to slow down the rate of growth and make employees contribute. really assertive. andrew cuomo followed. there are a slew of republican governors from florida to ohio to wisconsin who tried to imlate chris christie and got beaten up badly. chris christie comes up with a big that shocked a lot of union members in new jersey. what is the difference? how did christie do it in new jersey yet walker had a political war. >> in florida -- >> 20%. john kay sick in the low 30s. >> part of it is the governors, right? we have a tendency to tell the story of american politics through the person of the executive. if christie is winning in jersey, it's all christie. if scott is doing poorly, it's scott. all the states have legislatures and voters and medias and other folks in them. oftentimes, it's not that chris christie is a better manager than casic or snyder in michigan. what he was doing, his state was ready for it. he had an opportunity. in florida, maybe there wasn't that opportunity. i'm not a fan of rick scott's managerial style, but sometimes we make too much of american politics and miss the factors that decide whether the story ends up in the success or failure. if cuomo would have tried it, it would have went to a filibuster. because he didn't have to handle it, his was a big success. if barack obama would have done it, it would have been a huge failure. >> we saw the governor talking about the issues happening in washington, the battle over the debt ceiling and we asked if he worried about being liked. he thought it's what the president struggled with. take a listen. do you worry about being liked? >> i worry about it with you, mika. no, i really don't. this goes back to another thing my mother taught me and my brother and my sister. she used to say to us all the time, if you have a choice between being loved and being respected, take being respected. if you get respected, love may come. love without respect is going to be fleeted. it's applicable in politics. the president is so worried about making sure everyone likes him, he's paralyzed not to make decisions. when you worry about being liked, you know you are going to aggravate somebody. >> i think it's fascinating that chris christie, just like the wisconsin governor, i asked him, and he regrets he said yeah. i came on too strong. i was too assertive. i insulted the legislature. i didn't realize the pace of the legislature. it frustrated me. we talk rick scott and john casic. we have these republicans that came in as governors, too assertive. again, we are not talking ideology here. it's fascinating to see how this is rolling out. rick scott has been very assertive, he's sitting at 29%. john casic, the same. some people think john, i have known him for a long time, he's very personable and likable. actually, a very bipartisan figure in washington as far as friendships go. he goes up there and has this, we're going to take them out. it goes back to what we have said before. everybody thinks this is our time. it's never your time. >> you can add the governor of connecticut to the list. today he's announcing he's going to have to lay off state employees. >> 7,500. >> there's a concern of putting it on the executive function. what we don't do is pay enough attention to what is on the other side of the table and are they addressing the reality that the executive has to address. apparently, the union in connecticut didn't buy into it. he's a democrat. the pink slips are going out today. >> he's going to be on the show friday. >> he is. >> it's fascinating that i have all said the partisan divide, there is a difference, it's so exaggerated, especially in washington, d.c. the governors are facing the same issues. for the most part, when your pension plan -- like the numbers chris christie gave last night, 75% of the budget goes to the public employees. he said i can sit down and talk to public employees and say here are the numbers, what do we do about it? dan malloy is fighting it in connecticut, they are fighting it in california. it doesn't matter whether you are a democrat or republican. the governor has to sit down and figure this out. yet, mika is going to do the top story in a minute. in washington, it's chaos. >> if you take on california, we have been sitting down and figuring things out in that state, it's not holding up. for years they have been unable to pass budgets and looming, huge, structural problems. they need a two-thirds vote to pass the budget and do anything fiscal. they can't get it. >> for 30 years, it's governed by proposition in california. that's their problem. there's an interesting threat to the story. i think, you pointed it out yesterday. take all the figures, scott in florida, casic in ohio, mall low in connecticut. all all executives. the president of the united states, whether you love him or are mild about him, he never had executive experience. he never had to sit down across the table from legislatures as a governor and cut a deal. in connecticut, malloy came to the governorship. >> when you sit down and talk to him, he said guess what? my numbers are low. i have done this before. >> he's been through a lot politically and personally in his career. >> willie, malloy was mayor of stanford for 14 years. if you have run a city like that for 14 years, you know their ups and their downs. that executive experience. i think we are seeing it in washington right now. there's not a substitute. >> looking at it in washington, you can take the state conversation to a federal level and see what happened yesterday. maybe we ought to raise the medicare two years. immediately, heads chopped off. to have a rational conversation in washington is almost impossible. >> time for the yeas and nees, that's what it is. push a button. >> we'll see what happens as we talk about the president. obama is expected to hold a news conference to discuss that. the president is scheduled to meet with senate democrat leaders on the budget later today. it comes as a bipartisan proposal to scale back medicare expenditures and spark a deal on the deficit. there's a mixed reaction on capitol hill. it's sponsored by lieberman and coalburn. assess higher premiums on wealthier seniors. >> when does that move? ezra, do you know when the years go up? >> i don't know the schedule. >> it's more cost-sharing. a lot of the plan's money comes not just from eligibility but the structure of the medicare benefit. >> the beneficiary. >> they are already fighting over it. >> i'm not saying whether it's good or bad. >> right. it's obviously a important third prong to it. everybody saluted them. >> no. the plan drew sharp criticism from top democrats with nancy pelosi calling the plan unacceptable. in a statement, pelosi said it is unfair to ask seniors to get less in benefits and wait longer to get on medicare while republicans back tax breaks for oil companies that ship american jobs overseas. john boehner pushed back on suggestions the u.s. could default if a deficit deal isn't reached by early august. >> nobody believes the united states is going to walk away from its obligations. when i say this is the moment and the opportunity, it's what i mean. dealing with this debt problem and this deficit problem is more important than meeting an artificial date created by the treasury secretary. >> mike. it's chaos. >> what do you want to bet that what you just read about the lieberman proposal that the date to adjust the age of seniors is probably taking affect in like 50 years. >> probably. >> we'll check. i'm going to find out. >> the commission did not affect my two older boys but did affect george w. geist and jack scarborough. i don't know. listen, it's -- it needs to be pushed down the road. this is the thing. you can't start talking about medicare or even cutting expenditures without everything getting gooped up. ezra, as you said a couple days ago, we are not going to be able to slash and burn the next couple years or else we are going to face a double-dip recession. this is long term. we have to take long-term steps. >> we have to be able to do more for the recovery now and a lot more for deficit reduction. i was talking last night, i was at a show in new york and talking to a conservative columnist, a guy i know a little bit. he came up and said what the hell are you doing in washington? i said what do you mean? he said how come no one there cares about jobs anymore? i'm as terrified as deficits and i'm a right-wing guy. he said we have a jobs crisis that is unlike anything we have seen in this country. he said washington forgot. they don't know about it. they are doing whatever they would have been doing. there's not one thing the parties are pushing that they would have been pushing. he's right. >> it is such a jobs crisis. these numbers aren't moving. we aren't getting people back to work. >> if it continues, the jobs crisis, which is going to continue for quite some time because of their inability to talk about it, never mind deal with it, there's going to be a political jobs crisis. there's going to be from coast-to-coast in each state because you can feel it in grocery aisles and gas stations, it is term limits. people are saying get them out of there. give them three terms in the house and two in the senate. get them out of there. they look at the next election rather than ten years down the road or 15 years down the road. >> the president is going to speak at 11:30 this morning. one side throws out the idea of raising retirement age two years. they are shot down. the other idea of raising taxes on the wealthiest americans shut down. both nonstarters. what can the president do to change the points of view of either side? >> what would happen if the president shocks the political world and said okay, here's the deal, nobody is going to like this. here is how we are going to fix it. we are going to significantly cut defense spending, first of all. secondly, everybody 50 and younger, you are going to get medicare and social security at 67, get over it. bush tax cuts two years from now are going to be done away with for everybody. orzac was right. poor people are getting treated terribly in our health care system but i'm going to work with the republicans. we are going to figure this out. i just saved all the money we need to save. ezra, what would happen? >> republicans would say you just balanced the budget through tax increases and did nothing on the spending. raising the retirement age, people hear it and it's the hardest thing to do in politics. i think it's a bad idea. it does not save you that much money. >> what if the president says it's growing at 7%. it's unsustainable. >> in the health care bill, it pulls it down. in april deficit package, brought it down further to 0.5% and tried to change the benefit package. if we could get changes in the medicare benefit package, it's a big deal. never underestimate it. it's $4 trillion. >> what if you through one more element in the the talk. look folks, we have to rebuild the country. we have to put people back to work. we have road that is are crumbling. airports from 1910. i'm going to ask each of you for an extra dollar a week to help rebuild america. this is a great country. we want it to be greater in the future. give me a buck a week. >> here is the rub. it is hard for politicians on either side to explain this. we have to do two things at once. we have to make ugly decisions for both sides for long term debt. as far as short term goes, we have to spend more on infrastructure, education, r & d, domestic discretionary spending, which is 10%. we can do that, if we take care of the long-term structural debt, we can invest more now and grow this economy. >> spend more money is not what republicans want to hear. they are not going to hear that. the lieberman coburn plan raises it two months 2014 to 2025. it goes up two months. >> 600 billion? >> 600 billion. >> you are way outside the window. you're fine. coming up, senator dick durbin takes us inside the budget negotiations. rev al sharpton and tina brown joins us on set as well as new york times brian stelter. politico's top stories with patrick. >> here is a check on the forecast with bill karins. give us good news. >> the lower 48, summer like weather everywhere for the next several days. we have the first tropical storm of the season in the gulf of mexico. this is tropical storm arlene looking frisky this morning. unfortunately for mexico, this is heading your way. texas just skirted it. this moves on shore as a strong tropical storm tomorrow. once again, we are okay here. northeast, summer like day. bufl summer weather around the country today. the southeast, typical afternoon storm. fires in new mexico. you are watching "morning joe." we are brewed by starbucks. 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>> french finance minister, christine lagared is the first woman to replace dominique strauss-kahn. la garde. >> the california state legislature, members are close to releasing a plan to the deficit. if everything stays on course, they have a plan that will ensure lawmakers receive their pay. >> isn't that nice? usa today, just in time for the holiday weekend, walmart is discounting the price of gas. they are giving 10 cents off a gallon at murphy usa stations. the deal lasts until late september and is available in 18 states, not including california, new york, new jersey and california, where you would go on vacation. okay. >> all right. willie. >> let's turn to politico. patrick gavin is standing by at their headquarters. hello. >> good morning. >> how are you, sir? >> i'm well, how are you? i appreciate the cat calls earlier. >> do you want a cat? >> i have three. i can't do four. you are going to give up your second one, already? >> i got another one. it just came home. it fits in my hand. >> this is the conversion is almost complete. >> let's get to news here. you guys are reporting president obama may be losing the faith of some, at least, of jewish democrats. we know going back to the speech he made about the arab spring, tension with benjamin netanyahu on perceptions he was throwing israel under the bus. what is the latest there? >> ben smith did over two dozen interviews with folks in the jewish community and in the wake of the speech, obama said israel should embrace the 1967 borders is a basis for peace deals. netanyahu is not a fan of that. it seems to have crystallized traditional concerns and worries between the jewish community and obama. we tend to hear this every four years the republican party says we are making inroads with the jewish community and they don't come to fruition. in florida, they detected anxiety over the issue and the obama administration. some of the folks saying they will consider the republican party in 2012. the obama administration saying we have done a lot for the community, we supplied them with defense missile system, boycotted a conference that was antiisrael. they are going to spend a lot of capital in september protesting this resolution in the united nations for palestinian independence. we have seen a lot of talk about obama's shaky status in 2012. it comes down to communications. he's going to want to clarify. >> we have heard this before that the jewish vote will change and affect things in florida in the general election. do you think that's real this time given what the president said about israel? >> i think it's real. it has impacted the state. my home state in florida. i'll say, in 2004, george w. bush, you know, the beginning of that night, we thought florida was going to be a toss-up, again. it wasn't. bush won it pretty handily. i think he did better with the jewish vote in florida. there's been a distrust of barack obama in the jewish community for the past couple years. what happened six, what was it three or four months ago with his speech compounded the problem. >> is there a problem for the president? >> we hear it every four years. he got 87% in 2008. i'm not saying it would happen again. there's no reason it can't happen. i'm not ready to say we are not seeing anything. every couple years we see the same stories. >> thanks so much. go back and tend to those kitty cats. >> standing by in the green room, gabe sherman. first, the women's team usa cleans up in the first game of the world cup, beating kim jong-il's squad in north korea. wait until you hear the excuse. >> what happened? >> why they lost, coming up. ♪ hello sunshine, sweet as you can be ♪ [ female announcer ] wake up to sweetness with honey nut cheerios cereal. kissed with real honey. and the 100% natural whole grain oats can help lower your cholesterol. you are so sweet to me. bee happy. bee healthy. you are so sweet to me. ♪ we believe doing the right thing never goes unnoticed. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? inside all of us is a compass and it always points true north. toward mountains of sand. toward new sights and sensations. toward the true bounty of nature so let's set our compass for traverse city and find ourselves. in the magic, and the moments of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. the option that the country has chosen through president obama is to withdrawal 10,000 this year. is it fair to say, general allen, that was not one of the options presented by general petrae petraeus? >> it is a more aggressive option than that which was presented. >> my question was, was that a option? >> it was not. >> president obama's nominee as new commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan answering questions at his confirmation hearing. the taliban claims responsibility for a deadly attack at one of afghanistan's premier hotels. at least six suicide bombers attacked in an orchestrated operation that began late last night and continued into the morning. afghan officials say at least ten afghan civilians were killed in the attack. that number could rise. officials say the attackers were heavily armed with machine guns, rocket propelled grenades and grenade launchers. afghan forces rushed to the rooftop killing the remaining insurgents and the four-hour stand off. all right. that's the headline we are following. now, time for sports with willie geist. >> game two of the college world series. this is a best of three series. it could end. last night, florida down a game to south carolina. south carolina wins. they get the title for the second straight year. third inning, shoddy defense. sneaks by shortstop fontana. later, the same evening, a chopper up the middle. josh adams cannot get to it in time. that one squirts by. safe at first base. south carolina up three in the third. that's all they needed. ben mcmahon flies out. south carolina wins 5-2. they repeat as national championships, becoming the first teem ever to go 10-0 in a college world series. the repeat doesn't happen that often. it happened five years ago in oregon state. there's only been five teams to do it in baseball. josh beckett has been stellar allowing only nine earned runs in 50 innings. yesterday, the sixth, down 3-0. shane victorino, a two-run shot puts the phillies up, 5-0. cliff lee, nearly unhittable. a two-hit complete game shut-out for cliff lee. that's the third consecutive shut-out. he's given up just one run. phillies, 5-0. >> how old is he? >> early 30s. that staff has been untouchable lately. >> don't look now, the mets are over .500. >> yeah, baby. >> jayson bay in the fourth inning gets into one. a grand slam. the mets first grand slam since august 1, 2009. of course, why not do it twice. next inning, carlos beltran with the bases loaded. sneaks one over the wall. another grand slam. the tigers destroyed by the mets, 14-3. the mets now 40-39. nine and a half games out of first place. >> maybe four games behind the wild card? guess what? we are in, baby. there's your world series. new york mets. maybe not. but mike barnicle, again, we saw with the red sox, in april people saying it's over. in may, we heard it's a nightmare to new york. i call it the stadium. the city field. it's a long season. baseball is long. anything can happen. >> you want to see them play well to fill the ballpark for the long-suffering mets fans. >> and get santana back later in the season. >> he's quit. >> is he done? >> women's soccer. the women's world cup kicked off in germany. team usa beat north korea by a score, 2-0. in the post -- in the post game press conference, after the game, the north korean coach explained the loss this way. on june 8th, our players were hit by lightning. more than five were hospitalized. the goalkeeper and striker were most affected. the strength of our players not sufficient. our strategy could not be implemented because again, they were hit by lightning. >> couldn't kim jong-il stop that? >> you would think so. >> with his cell phone. remember that one? invisible cell phone after the win, you would think he got on his invisible cell phone. >> it's the most entertaining press job in the world, north korea. >> vanity fair details the messy divorce of dodgers owner. how a once storied organization became bankrupt. that's baseball's biggest black eye. up next, gabe sherman. >> oh, gabe is here. >> you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. ñññ we want to win south carolina. >> yeah! >> we want to win new hampshire. >> yeah! >> we want to win iowa. >> yeah! >> we want to win hawaii. >> yeah! >> and we think there's a certain hawaii yan resident that should go back to hawaii. should we help him fill out his change of address form today? >> yeah! >> barack obama needs to be a one-term president. [ cheers and applause ] >> 44 past the hour. that's michele bachmann. joining us now, contributing editor, gabe sherman. we are going to start with sarah palin. i'm looking at "the washington post" in iowa. palin says she's contemplating. >> we have heard this story before. i'm surprised it's in the newspaper at this point. the will she or won't she dance has been going on for six months. >> why is it being covered? >> to palin's credit, she milks it. the bus tour, going to iowa and new hampshire. is she going to make a decision or not? >> yeah. >> mike? >> you know, i don't think she'll run. everything i read indicates she is leaning toward running. if she does run, her issue is largely personal, not political. if she's in against michele bachmann, i think she hurts herself. michele bachmann has shown the ability to listen to her campaign. something governor palin never indicated. she gets out in the stump. i don't think she compared well rhetorically with michele bachmann. after three to formonths, she drops down. she withdrawals from the race. there go her speaking fees. >> they have the same supporters. there's a polling institute that shows if you put palin in the race, her and bachmann are down 10% range. take palin out and bachmann is first. they are pulling from the same poll. >> there's basically a three-way fight feasting over the same demographic. >> mitt romney is praying for it. he wants as many in there as he can get. >> he would love sarah palin and bachmann fighting each other. >> the more scared they get of the extremists, the more romney looks good. new hampshire, mitt romney tops that. michele bachmann second. i don't know why she keeps announcing she's thinking about it. seriously, there should be a moritorium. >> they say there are no concrete plans for a run. the only people that know are her and todd. the endless speculation is counter productive. unless she's going to announce something concrete, what is she talking about? >> we have seen this before from other potential candidates that got a lot out of it. >> two or three months ago, they thought mitt romney was so weak a candidate could emerge in september. what they are saying is it ain't so easy to raise money anymore. some people close to rick perry are backing off. they have been very disappointed the donors haven't come forward the way they expected. he's probably not going to run. sarah palin, at some point, the media can say this story is a complete scam. it's sarah palin trying to get publicity or envious of michele bachma bachmann. at some point, there aren't donors. mitt romney, who is going to produce a report is going to show that he's blowing away the field. there's no place for sarah palin to go to raise money. >> two things. first of all, talk to the romney people, they are amazingly confident about their prospects in their positioning in the gop field. the second point, what you said about sarah palin, it's never the palin organization. she has none. she has none. it's her. >> it's a revolving cast of people with falling outs. there's no concrete structure put in place where she can flip on the light switch and turn into a viable campaign. >> the bigger question, why is the media reporting on sarah palin? >> this goes to the e-mails. why did they send a truckload of reporters to cover it the e-mails? what were they looking for? she's a person of public interest, but not a candidate. the resources were overblown compared to what was there. >> with "the washington post," "the new york times" made it sound like martians invade in three days. >> she was right, the media was giving her oversized attention. >> at this point, with a front-runner so far ahead, raising all the money, at this point, it does take on sort of the aura of donald trump pumping up his ratings. >> sure. we're talking act it. if you said why are we talking about it, there's not a good answer. there has to be collective action to stop talking about it. i don't know a single person who thinks she is any type of legitimate relevance. >> let me ask you this question. sarah palin, a lot of conservatives like her or less than used to. "the washington post" puts her on page a-3. why does the editor at your -- i'm not knocking the editor, we're trying to answer this question. they made a choice to put it on page a-3 at the top. was that to sell newspapers or is there a news value? >> i can't speak for the editor. >> i know you can't. i'm saying though -- >> but do. >> whatever my editor at "the washington post" decided, i'm sure it was the right decision. that's a beautifully laid-out page. >> to be straight forward, it looks like what's going on in the republican primary yesterday page. pawlenty is on the page, too. >> she's not running, pawlenty is. >> the headline says, this is a fascinating story, she cannot stand the attention michele bachmann is getting. she is going to do whatever she can to step on that like she stepped on mitt romney's announcement in new hampshire. this is driving her crazy that michelle bachmann has stolen the spotlight. >> there's no doubt about your assessment to her. there's no doubt that at some point soon, the next month at the 4:00 budget meetings and major newspapers around the country, some editor when looking at the slot for the following mornings paper is going to look and decide instead of doing it at the leng we are doing it, i want to know about the lives we are losing in iraq and afghanistan. i want to know about the families. it's a better story. it's a compelling story. >> she's stepped away from fox, temporarily, right? she's not an analyst, right? >> she is. >> you can't do that, right? if you are contemplating running for president, you should step off the air. >> it's a standard for other talent. >> not for her? >> they feel comfortable she hasn't made up her mind, so they are allowing her to stay on? >> really? >> can i just say i am so bored. like the clash, bored with the usa. i am so bored with the sarah palin stories. >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you makes me happy ♪ when skies are grey ♪ you'll never know, dear ♪ how much i love you ♪ please don't take my sunshine away ♪ [ male announcer ] as long as there are babies, they'll be chevy's to bring them home. ♪ oh, yes, please tell me it is time. >> he has his starbucks cup and asked me to clear the shot. >> mike, be nice. willie likes his shot clear. >> the pope is on twitter. >> no way. >> it happened yet. he signed up. he's on board. we have video of him tweeting the pappal ipad. >> okay. >> the ipad right there. he's got a terrible handle. it's news vaen. you have to take back the pope. i am the original pope. here is the real pope. >> exactly. >> 36,000 followers. dear friends, i just launched, praise be our lord jesus christ. >> i love it. that's cool. >> the first tweet from the pope. 36,000 followers. >> do you have any stories about spaniards jumping over babies? >> i'm so glad you asked. a religious ceremony where you get the new babies, lay them out on mattresses and dress up like the devil in the yellow costume there. >> what if you hit one? >> you jump over the babies. apparently, it cleanses them of original sin. that's the idea. save the souls of those babies. >> what have they done wrong? >> i think i would just say that my baby was cleared of original sin. thank you very much. >> no babies harmed in this. it's still a distant, distant second to weirdest baby ceremonies. back to india. they drop them off tall buildings to improve their health. we have to wait for this shot. watch for the guy. he's so casual. boom. pass it back. what else we got? >> holy cow. >> ha happened to you when you were a baby? >> it explains a lot. >> it makes me tired. the reverend al sharpton and tina brown. 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[ applause ] >> welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour. a live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington, d.c. joining the table, the president and founding of the national action. al sharpton is here. >> what do you think that's about? >> i don't know. i wake up in the morning doing my morning prayers and mika is hugging christie. what does this mean to the american politics? >> it's bipartisanship at its best. >> reverend al tells us when he comes on the show -- >> that was a lingering hug followed by a kiss. >> he's been brooding about it. >> heart broken. >> we have to work on that. >> we have the editor and chief of news week magazine and the daily beast, tina brown. >> let's set up the budget battle. >> a lot going on. more is going to happen today. president obama is set to hold a news conference this morning, 11:30 eastern time. he's expected to meet with senate democrats today. it comes as a new proposal from joe lieberman and tom coburn to scale back. they get a mixed reaction on capitol hill. the plan cuts $600 billion in spending, raises medicare's eligibility age to 67 from 65 and assess higher premiums on wealthier seniors. now nancy pelosi calls it unacceptable saying it is unfair to ask seniors to get less in benefits and wait longer to get on medicare while republicans back tax breaks for big oil and corporations that ship american's jobs overseas. john boehner pushed back that the u.s. could default if a deal isn't reached by august. >> nobody believes the united states is going to walk away from their obligations. when i said this is the moment and the opportunity, it's what i mean. dealing with this debt problem and this deficit problem is far more important than meeting a date created by the treasury secretary. >> taxes continue to be a sticking point as minority leader mitch mcconnell digs in to consider increases. >> i think the path forward as several of my colleagues indicated seems to be blocked by an insis tense on raising taxes. we think it's a job-killing step that shouldn't be taken and republicans are not interested in going in that direction. >> senator mcconnell says we should take anything about corporate loopholes about taxing wealthy people off the table. his my way or the highway approach is what is standing in the way of getting an agreement. >> lawmakers are seeking $2 trillion in debt cuts to convince their colleagues to improve the debt ceiling. listening to the soundbytes, the question you got last night at the book signing. nobody wants to compromise. how do you get anything done? >> let's throw that question to the table. obviously republicans don't want to touch tax increases. tina, it looks like we are going -- now, john boehner suggesting they are going to blow through the august 2nd deadline. >> you need revenue generating ideas as well as tax cuts. you cannot create more jobs without that. it seems to me, americans more and more are giving up completely on washington. there's a sense of let's fix it on our own attitude right now. it's really going out of washington. it's really action in a sense. social action is now with the state level. it's interesting to me the clinton global initiative is in chicago creating a sort of jobs brainstorm session. it's as if people are taking it back to themselves saying nothing to going to happen in washington, ever. let's figure out something of our own. >> definitely feel that attitude. >> what is barack obama doing at 11:00 in his speech? >> he's got to come down firm and hard. he must continue to push for job creation. the infrastructure, building a company, that's reel. if you move around the country, you need to rebuild the infrastructure. those are jobs. he also has to say there's affected on the other side. there's been compromises that have been proposed, but not enough. he's got to say this is where i'll go. not say we are going to be inflexible. you can't have shared sacrifice that is only perceived on one side, seniors, working people and unions. don't touch us, don't touch the corporations an you all do the sacrificing. >> should the president come out and say this is where i stand, we need defense cuts? >> absolutely. >> we have to get tough on explosive growth and entitlement programs and take on both sides. >> i think he has. he's got to come more firmly. we are getting down to the wire. you have boehner saying the august 2nd deadline is an imaginary deadline or something to that effect from the treasury secretary. the president needs to draw the line and say i have made these compromise positions, i have said this. it's time to cut. >> he doesn't make it clear where he stands. >> what you were saying, tina, i think people are ready for this. >> that's the bigger problem. willie, we talk about it all the time. this is a guy that gives a speech on gay marriage in new york but then opposes it. this is a guy that says we are not trying to kill gadhafi, but he's clearly trying to kill gadhafi. this is a guy that's going to show leadership, but he's nowhere to be seen on the deficit. >> let' cease what's going to happen today. i have faith. >> this is the narrative about barack obama. >> his definition, he has determination when he's campaigning then morphs into an ill-defined president when it comes to these positions you are longing for him to take. >> he was called in to close the deal. it wasn't enough to have biden in there. everyone would be surprised if he came out and said something that closed the deal. i don't think he's going to go on a limb either way. it's a question we ask him all the time. step back, is today's washington capable of solving a problem like this? two sides are staked out very far apart, neither willing to move. are we able to tackle something this big in washington? >> don't confuse style with decisive action. here is the president that stood up against his own party and the last year with some of the continuation of bush tax cuts and dealing with savings. he is the president that went and got bin laden. >> he could be decisive -- >> he doesn't act like joe scarborough or al sharpton. he does what he does. >> the bin laden killing was huge. >> he didn't make a speech before it. he did it. >> when that happened, everybody felt they would like to see more of that obama. >> listen, he was decisive. it was a risky move. it paid off. he should be commended for that a great deal. overall, his style, come on. you're being nice to him. it's maddening. he debates health care reform for a year and a half. america debates health care reform for a year and a half and his own party members don't know his position because he doesn't tell it. this is what he does, i can't think of a decisive concrete speech he has given saying this is what we are going to do, basically follow me. he doesn't operate that way. >> there's a wilting affect on his own supporters. it's like go into battle, well, not. people get psyched up, then sort of they are not sure where to go. they are looking for that definition in his position, that's true. there's a lot of movement in this conversation. he's saying we have to accept subsidy cuts. there are big positions being moved. >> al, do you think he's decisive? >> he's made decisive action. >> do you think he's a decisive leader? >> i do. when you talk the health care debate, he got a package through no president got through in how many decades? it affects a lot of people's lives. at the bottom line, at the epd of the day -- >> what the president said was basically, i will take whatever congress gives me and sign it. he did the same thing with the stimulus bill. >> we go from saying why do you have this huge package where he didn't have a program. >> we always said he's never had a program. the stimulus, he didn't have a program. he said you take care of it, i'll sign it. same thing with health care. >> the process tends to take over and he allows -- it is his management style. >> it is his style. >> it's just the way he manages. it's frustrating to watch. it may have affected. >> it east most frustrating to his base, willie. a lot of republicans sit back and look at him wandering all over the place. it's the base that is the most frustrated by this president's management. >> health care was the public option. the speech he made about afghanistan, not enough for a lot of people on the left. getting 30,000 troops out, leaving 70,000 behind. >> he's a consensus builder. the united states in the last presidential election wanted someone that was not going to be this my way or the highway, didn't want to polarize the country. i think that's what he's tried to lead in that form. it's what he said. i think, again, when it comes to his actions, they have been decisive. i agree, the movement is coming from the ground. i think when you see caucuses, the progressive caucus and others touring the country doing the job. all movements come from the bottom up, not the top down. >> exactly. you know, the reverend is right. >> what? >> you go back to the president's campaign, it's not about hope and change. it's about consensus. >> i'm being moving away -- >> come on. that's not why people elected him. >> they elected him -- >> they wanted a decisive leader to bring america to a new generation of leadership. >> do decisive action. when we get into this campaign and you talk about did we get health care bill passed? did we deal with finance reform? did we see every month an increase in jobs? not as many as we need but where we were. at the end of the day, people want things that are delivered. they don't want great speeches. i think that's where we got the difference. >> al, people are going to say is my life better than it was four years ago and they are not going to say yes. >> you talked health care and finance reform. look at health care and say we have the same problems as far as costs go. >> when we go out and speak, people were asking what was that year and a half debate about? we have the crisis and wall street reform, too big to fail is bigger than ever. >> we have a growing disparity in our society between rich and poor. >> it's a huge gap. >> i think the two biggest domestic issues we have, bigger than the debt because you can cure that. the two biggest, one jobs. and two, the disparity between rich and poor, which has been separating. again, this isn't feel-good stuff. this is alan greenspan saying this is a threat. >> that is why when you have the president talk about manufacturing jobs and other things and you are not hearing from the opposition how they are creating one job, what is the proposal romney has? where is that debate going to be? and when you talk the wealth gap and republicans saying don't touch taxes on the rich. >> barack obama extended the bush tax cuts. they are now the obama tax cuts. >> what are the approval ratings now? >> 45, 46, 47. they are pretty good. not as good as al sharptons. he's huggable and lovable. also with us, stephen. you are watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. but sometimes i wonder... what's left behind? 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[ female announcer ] new from neutrogena naturals. video from moments ago t. brief debt crisis, of course getting out of hand once again. serious violence in the streets there of athens. we'll follow that for you. joining us from capitol hill, senator dick durbin. here steve pearlstein who asks a good question in his column. senator durbin, i'll pose it to you. why politicians in washington aren't having a ten-hour a day marathon to nail down an agreement. senator, why? >> it's a perfectly valid question. if we reached and agreement, in theo theory, tomorrow, it would take at least ten days to put it on paper. we have a deadline, august 2nd. as of august 2nd, if the debt ceiling is not extended, we will see a dramatic negative impact on america and the global economy. >> senator, why is it that your leader, harry reid can't say to members of the senate, you guys are staying here. never mind july 4th recess, you are staying here to keep pressure on this? that's the only thing that will pressure the whole process to get done. otherwise, they scatter to the winds for two weeks. this will be the seventh major recess this year and we are only half way through the year. it's not much urgency. >> we are headed down to the white house to meet with the president. he's meeting with the leaders of both parties. i think the flaw in your reasoning is this, if we park at our desk on the floor, 24/7, that does not lead to an agreement. what leads to an agreement is when speaker boehner and leaders sit down with the president and come to an agreement. to do that, both sides have to give. in order for that to happen, i think people have to understand that this august 2nd deadline could be a disaster. if you think the shutdown of the government threat was a serious one, alice and her group gave me a briefing. august 3, we face a month with 1$172 billion in revenue and expenditur expenditures. who do we pay? the troops, federal employees? vendors to the defense? they are critical issues that are on the table for the august 2nd deadline. >> senator, you can only control what you can control. i understand that. the senate democrats can only control what they can control. harry reid can control senate democrats and the pace of what the senate does. you and i both know if everybody is holding committee meetings and trying to reach certain numbers to cut, you are going to at least move the ball down the road more than if everybody scattered and goes to home districts. >> this is the time to come together and get serious. >> i agree with your conclusion but i don't agree with your premise. if we had every committee on the senate today, they wouldn't have a road map for an agreement. we need a basic understanding and agreement. i believe everything,under line the word everything. that means taking a hard look at the entitlement programs. revenue or taxes. we have to put them on the table and be honest with the american people. it's the only solution that will work. >> how do you develop that road map? if what you are saying is true, 95% of the members of the senate and the house just don't matter until the president and john boehner and harry reid tell them what to do. i think that's flawed reasoning. we matter, of course we do. we represent important states and have our voices in the senate and the house. but we have to come to an agreement. you can't do that with 100 senators on the floor giving speeches. you have to sit down and come to an agreement. i have been working with this gang of six, now five since coburn walked out on us. until we get a basic understanding from both caucuses of what's on the table and a goal to reach, i hope it's over $4 trillion over ten years, we are going to sit here and make speeches and make press available. >> it's a long time. >> by the way, senator, i know you know this, i have great respect for you -- >> absolutely. >> my frustration at that question wasn't aimed at you. i know you locked yourself in a room. you are doing what everybody should be doing. you have locked yourself in a room with five other members and taken political risks. stephen, there are not enough people like dick durbin. these people going into this room and taking risks. >> if the senator is still here, i ask you, you went out on a limb as a member, you were in favor of a package that included raising the retirement age for social security. yesterday, two colleagues, one republican and one democrat put forward a proposal to raise the retirement age for medicare to save $600 billion over the first ten years and what did the people of your party do before they said anything? unacceptable. not on the table. get it off. how do you feel when someone went out on a limb to see your own party act the same way the republicans are acting regarding taxes, taking the key issue off the table. >> if we are going to make sure social security and medicare survivor, hard decisions have to be made. if we raise the retirement age one year to 68 over a 40-year period of time and an additional year over 25 years, it's reasonable. the problem i have with the approach on medicare is the vulnerability of americans in their 60s. if i knew a person could find affordable health insurance at the age of 65, i would have less concern about raising medicare to 67. today, we live in a world with health insurance companies won't insure people. they won't give them this protection. we have to be careful when we look for solutions, popular or unpopular, they are reasonable. >> i'm fascinated about how late and how little, in a sense, this has been accomplished. >> it does feel that way. >> is there one issue that could be broken to be considered an intelligent compromise? is there one thing you can see? >> let me tell you what it is. we have to get our republican friends to sit down to the table and agree to the following. we have a tax code that spares people of $1.1 trillion in taxes they owe for deductions and credits and exclusions. if we take that tax code and trim back the tax expenditures, it's revenue to the government that doesn't raise taxes. we can lower marginal rates. we kept our word, we lowered the tax rates. we can say revenue is coming in. some of these tax expenditures are indispensable. we know. on the democratic side, let's sit down on entitlements and say every dollar we save on social security goes to social security, not deficit reduction. we are going to have serious changes to medicare that don't jeopardize basic benefits. medicare part d. if we had competition in prescription drug pricing we can save $100 billion. let's go for it. >> all right, senator. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, senator. >> we appreciate it. good luck. >> thanks, a lot. >> stephen. >> yeah. >> it seems to me, at the end of the day, the two toughest issues for the parties to handle on the republican side, new revenue and on the democratic side, medicare. >> both sides demagogued these issues. republicans did last year. democrats this year. they did it in '95 on tax cuts. republicans have done it for years. those are really the two untouchables, aren't they? we have to address them. >> they both want to keep taking them off the table. if you don't do it, you can't make the numbers add up. you need revenues and cut the biggest and fastest growing entitlement. >> stephen you seem proud of yourself today. >> why is that? >> his column is good. >> you earn a lifetime achievement award right here. that ain't nothing, beabl. it's very exciting. you won the award for lifetime achievement in business and financial journalism. exciting. >> you hang around long enough -- >> that is incredible. congratulations. >> you know what else you get? >> you get a mug? >> they let you be a professor. >> you are going to be a professor. >> at george mason university. >> fabulous. coming up, a new documentry inside the news om at "the new york times." interesting. we are going to talk to brian about that new film. don't go away. we'll be right back. as president, would you have tried to follow the war powers resolution and military action or done what president obama did? >> i would reserve the argument that the war powers app does not apply. however, in the case that it might and as a courtesy to congress, i would have consulted with them. it could have been a court si to the congress, not a legal operation. >> former minnesota governor, tim pawlenty. answering questions from john meacham in new york yesterday. his appearance coming as a senate panel voted to give president obama limited authority to continue the u.s. military operation in libya. the senate foreign relations committee passed the resolution that it does not need congressional approval to continue the campaign in libya. in an exchange, tennessee senator confronted a senior state lawyer on how congress perceives the president's moves. >> are you glad that you basically created an issue where no issue had to exist by taking this narrowly defined route and basically sticking a stick in the eye of congress. is that something you are glad you have done? >> senator, that was not our intent. if you felt a stick was stuck, that was not the goal. the war powers resolution is not mechanical. it has to be construed in light of it at the time. >> you know, we are always negative about people in congress on both sides. mike barnicle, tester is one of them. tester is a winner. >> he's great. >> bob is a guy that has been surprised a lot of people. he's not afraid to work the democrats. real surprise. >> not only a surprise, but that's the only way, eventually, maybe never, but eventually something has to work in washington. people like that, the behavior they exhibit, it's the only way. >> i know this is your last block, tina, but explain to me. i open up my news week package and i saw a very interesting cover. what was that about? diana -- >> it's princess diana's 50th birthday on friday. i found it interesting to imagine what she would be doing now. the best way to kind of communicate that was to put her in a situation where she's standing there with kate middleton. i wanted to make her a time traveler. >> you had her on facebook, on twitter. >> we gave her a facebook account. there was a novel about where she would be living. i saw her as being a global mover, shaker woman. she loved the limelight. she also would have professionalized the humanitarian. she was one of the first to do that. she was pre-bono. i think she would have been into all of that. >> what's the response been? >> well, it went absolutely viral. the cover has created a huge debate. some think it's spooky and should we have done it.effectiv. i think it's intriguing. we aged her slightly. i think it's sad. it's a saddening thing about diana. i think she would have been a woman of our times now. >> you have caused a lot of controversy. you know how tina and i don't like controversy. >> you don't. see, you are like the president. keep it in the middle. >> can't let it go, can you? >> is reverend al going to be with us next block? >> great. >> interesting cover. next, "the new york times" brian stelter joins us. 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>> things were really, really bad in 2009 and 2010 he spent a year in our news room following us around. that was a low point. things are getting better. the patient is not out of the hospital, entirely. >> mike, i always -- newspapers have been a hit. i have said this for some time. everybody acts like it's the end of the world. magazines aren't going to survive, newspapers aren't going to survive. there are two 100 year floods happening. one, revenue going down because of recession and the second is the explosion of ipad. it's rough times. they can figure out a way to get through this. >> yeah. there are always going to be newspapers. new york times is our greatest newspaper. there's always going to be a newspaper in large, metro poll tan areas. the times is trying to figure out a way to get paid for the product that goes on ipad. that's the hurdle. >> you are trying that. it's always driven me crazy "the new york times" and others have to give away their great articles for free. >> it just doesn't make sense. >> in history, it will be for 15 years everything was free online. it can't last forever. the thing i liked about the movie, i liked he went back and added more segments about the pay wall and the fact we are charges for the website now. >> we have a debate in hartford where a journalist asked if newspapers are dying. >> you think they are dying? why? >> they are gradually declining in print. >> exactly. >> we have to worry about news rooms, not just newspapers. make the distinction, it's a better debate. >> when you look at the former editor talking about grim, the feeling of being grim, does that affect what we get in terms of the quality of the journalist and quality of the news we are reading? how does one play into the other? >> it's had a modest effect. people feeling nervous about the business. it's had a modest effect. it makes young journalists feel motivated to get out and make a difference. for a young journalist, it's a good time to be in the business. there's a lot of people that don't want to do it on the web and twitter. >> it's exciting. you created, it's a stunning story what you created, tv news in college, everybody talked about you. they didn't know who you were. phil griffin called me up one day and said he's a kid! he's a kid! and he's doing it in his dorm room. that's the excitement. now you are with "the times." look what bill simmons has done. there's exciting new models. there's always going to be ne s newspape newspapers. >> i needed to learn the values infused in the times for 150 years. >> i don't think newspapers are dying. they are changing. there will always be a printed product like the "times." what's going to happen more and more is local, regional newspapers like the boston globe, you are not going to get the printed version. maybe monday through thursday or on the weekend. they will have to figure out, editors will have to figure out young people who come into the business, they have to get away from the need to get it on the website. instead, think about what you are writing. >> oh my god. that will never happen. no. you know what, you are right. the printed version of newspa r newspapers are on decline. there's the new concept of hyperlocal sites happening. there's a woman in connecticut that started a hyperlocal website that does local news on the web. >> the more local the better. >> here is the under lying problem. the local papers are dying. in florida, every city used to send somebody to the tallahassee bureau. it's going away. the investigations, unless you are at the times are stopping. yes, if a state legislature kisses somebody who shouldn't be kissing, then put it on the web. the career is over. but, if you quitely have a web of supporters that quietly somehow funnel billions of dollars to certain projects, never be caught would you say these investigative reporters in the regional papers. it's a threat. >> it's a media literacy issue. if they are more aware of it, maybe they are more willing to pay for the paper or the ipad part of the paper. we have to win back people's trust. we are in the pits like congress. >> the picture of the man we showed coming in, bill keller, he took over the "times." people suggested the "times" may not survive. he's done a remarkable job and i don't know him. i salute him for saving a newspaper that i have read since i was 8 years old. incredible job. >> i have another good story for you. i'm going to give it to you in the break. having people pay to be on local news stations. new york times, brian stelter. it's an incredible story. thank you so much. >> we're going to hug. >> it's coming. you name it. i've tried it. but nothing's helped me beat my back pain. then i tried this. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for. salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe. salonpas. ♪ how are things on the west coast i hear you moving real fine you wear the shoese1 like ♪ talking aboutfá this a lot over the last coupleo7o of week the los angelesk dodgers stari bankruptcy in the face. the contentious divorce between frank mccourt andc his ex-wife of of okbaseball's oldestó[ franc in doubt. writes about the divorce sagañin the magazine's new issue and she joins us now. vanessa, welcome. >> thank you. >> lay it out for people who haven'tñzbeen followi&ga it closely. what happened between frank and his wife and how is it affecting the team? >> oh, god, it's a long, sordid >> start with the houses they bought. >> yeah, it was a beautiful marriage. they bought the dodgers about 2004. they came to l.a. áuu a bunch of houses. who ñidoesn't need, you know, five, six, seven houses. you got to make yourself jf comfortable. >> where did theyw3 make their money? >> they bought parking lots in boston in the late '80s. they did>han amazing swap with fox who owned the dodgers at the time. gave them great terms on a bunch of loans, so they didn't put up much money to buy the dodgers much money to buy the dodgers and as soon as they gotñi v they thought, well, this is nice, let's have the niceok hollywood lifestyle here. >> sure. >> so,ñi engaged in that. and then loxd and behold,xd the a divorce, and suddenly all of divorce, i believe they would still own the dodgers today. they'd beq limping along and thy would make their media deal that ow.w3i]xde their media deal that >> and they survive. >> and they would survive. >> it's not thelp divorce that d actually put them in financial straits, but they were int( bad shape anyway. >> oh,t( absolutely. but, you know, there are many baseball ownersxd outñi there a ownerc of many sportsámh franc who are doing this kind of, you know,whcusiness with their have quite as much as onefá thinks y need to have. are caughtñi in the middle. look at the pictures of dodger stadium. that stadium should be filled every ,r:!q9ñ >> it's unbelievable. >> i was there a couple weeks ago. the bleachers werelp almost emp. it's shocking when you actually go to thejf stadium and see how few people are there. >> and then, of course, there's a ton of security allt( over th huge problem. with the fan being beat you. havu but in terms of the absence of fans in the stdrum, when you were out there, d  you hear at all about what i'm told by higher-ranking los angeles police officials thatc parts of dodger stadium, the right field, grandstand, the bleachers, have identify a gang member just by sight, you know, a lot of people have tattoos in los angeles, huá1ñyes, absolutely. that stadium that has not been addressed. you know, and it's very sad because the dodgers are a wonderful franchise. (!qxtqlñ is gorgeous. you know, it reallyñr -- it is, "uu]t thingjf that's happened. >>i] really ugly. >> what's thexd end game? do they lose the dodgers? >> at this point it's so convoluted that we don't even have any idea, right? frank has just declared bankruptcy, so, you know, but two weeks ago he settled with jamie, so, you know, is that settlementxd now thrown out? >> yeah. >> can he actually go bankrupt and remain in control of the team? the mlb rules say as soon as you fili for bankruptcy, that's it. you're xdout. >> mike, to peoplee1lp that hav knownñi him throughout the year say he'sok delusional. 3?9+ that a fair assessment? >> frank has always had his own world, lived in his own world, verbalizes his own world. i spoke to him in new york three weeks ago, you would think the can handle them all, but áñ can't. >> i've heard it say that his wife is smarter than he is, is that true? >> i think she hasñr a greater senset( of reality. >> the wife is always the ke>'yo success. >> how does the commission handle this? >> he's goingwku:ó take controf the dodgers. it's one of the four premium franchises in major league baseball. >> vanessa, will allok of los angeles rejoice when it happens? >> absolutely. this really has -- >> good lord. >> unbelievable. the foremost expertsñr onc baseball. a state of attrition from wayxd back. >> brooklyn dodgers became the los angeles dodgers. >> they're making the first =péyñ it's a great piece, reall interesting about the culture out in l.a.,+ok baseball,ñireze things coming together. it's a great read in the new here. >> thank you. ezra cline joins us when we come back on "morning joe." s ]s ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ whistle ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ ting! ] [ male announcer ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about and save money with multi-policy discounts. are you getting the coverage you need and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage or visit travelers.com. oh, just booked a summer vaycay. ooo. sounds pricey? nah, with the hotels.com summer sale, you can find awesome deals for places nearby. interesting... wow, i'm blown away. you look great. hotels.com summer sale, save up to 30%. and get a free kindle. hotels.com. be smart. book smart. that's how it is with alzheimer's disease. she needs help from me. and her medication. the exelon patch -- it releases medication continuously for twenty-four hours. she uses one exelon patch daily for the treatment of mild to moderate alzheimer's symptoms. 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how did christie do it in new jersey and yet walker has had a political war? >> in florida scott isçó droppi like a rock. >> john kasiche1cor in thefá lo. >> part of it is the fágovernor1 right? the story of american politics entirely through the person of the executive. >> right. >> so, if christie is winning iq jersey, if he's getting his bills passed, it's alllp christ. and it's allxd scott. s dropping lxd scott. in the polls, it'sc barack obam. and all the states haveñi legislators and media and other folks%z them. what makes the difference is not that chris christie is so much better a manager than kasich or snyder in michigan,xd but that k"t)eady for. he correctly assessed the opportunity in his statei] or h had an copportunity,whereasfá florida maybe there just wasn't that opportunity.xd i'm nott( a gigantic fan of ric scott's managerial style but i executive too much of the protagonist of american politics factors that end up deciding4÷ whether the story ends up isi] success or in failure. if barack obama hw$ñq tried wha andrew cuomoi] had tried, gay marriage, he would have fallen to a filibuster. and he di)fiá get 60%.ok he couldn't have!u gotten 60% the new york senate but because he didn't have to handle that, his was?; a bigok success, ñro if barack obama did that, it would be a huge failure anda5 everybody wouldkow3 have criti for overreach. >> we saw the issuesg washington and the issues ofw3 e debt ceiling and we asked him about being mpev he thought what the president struggled with, take añr listen. eing take añr listen. liked?e1ó[?;lpxdokw3 >> i worry about it withñvyou, mika. no, i really don't. and this goes back to another thing that my mother taught me and my brother and my sister, she used to say to us all the time if you have a choice between being loved and being jf respected, take being respected, because if you get respect, love may xdcome. but love without respect is going to be fleeting.xd but it's applicablexd to politi, because if i worry all the time -- and i think that's where  right now, i really do. i think he's so concerned about making sure that everybody likes him that he's paralyzed to be able to make decisions. and i think that's what itçó do when you're worried about being liked. you don't want to decide yol aggravate somebody. >>sá that said, i think it's fascinating that chrislp christ just like the wisconsin governor,ñr i asked xdhim, any regrets. he said, yeah. i came on too strong. i was too assertive. realize the pace of the legislature. it still frustrates me. but, you know, we talk about rick scott,w3 we talk about joh kasich, and you can talk about it on the left as well as the right, but we have these republicans that all came in as governors too assertive. and, again, we're not talking about ideologylp here. it'sfáxd fascinating to seeñr hs is rolling up. rick scott has been very assertive. very brusque. he's sitting at 29%. some people think that john who, i mean, i've known him for añ1 long time, and he's very personable and verys7 likable , actually, he was a veryp, bipartisan figure ine1 washingt as far as friendships go. >> yeah. >> and yet he goes up there and ñr b.this, you kno to take them out.ñroks, you kno it kindñi of goes back to what we've said before, everybody thinks this is our time! you know, it's never your time. >> well, you can add governor malloy of connecticut to that list, because today he's announcing i'm just reading in the papers he's going toñ)h$aveo lay off state employees. >>.5 fiv7,500.i+ &hc% >> in terms of putting a lot of emphasis on the t(executive, ho the executives function at every level of government in this country. what we don't do is pay enoughj attention to who is on the other side of the table and areñi the addressing the reality that the ? address. apparently public employeespmh % union in connecticut, you know, didn't buy in to malloy's argument. he's a democrat, so those pink slips are going out toda >> amazing. >> he's going to be on the show friday. >> he is. it's fascinating that i've always said that the partisan divide difference. but i think it's so exaggerated especially in washington, d.c.v you get all these governors, they're facing the same exact issues. and for thet( most part, when yr pension plan, when the federal -- the numbers chris christie gave last night, lpezr something like 75% of the budgea goes to the public employees. and he said, i can sit down and talkw3 to public employees and say, here are the numbers. what do we do about it? u5át pr. jerry brown's fighting the same thing in california.ñ and andrew cuomo, it doesn't . fágovern/j>j got toc sit down and figure this out, and yet because he's going toó01 do thep story in a t(minute, in washingn it's just chaos. >> yeah.fá but i come from california. i think if you take on over in that state, i'mxdxd note it's really holding t(up. nowe1 they've been unable to pa clooming, huge, structural clear problems in the state's finances. they need a two-thirdst("niuut there to pass a÷d budget, to rae taxes, to do anything fiscal, they can't getnb it. >> for 30 years it'sxd been government by proposition in california. that's been their problem. there÷ is an interesting thread to this story, though, i think in that you pointed it out yesterday, joe. you take all okoc thesexd figu scott ine1i] ñrflorida,ok kasic ohio,w3 malloy in connecticut, l are executives. thew3xd president of theñiw3 un states, no matter whether youñi love him or are mild about him, he never had executive experience. never had to sit down across the table from legislators, you know, as a governor, an executive, and cutt( a deal. in connecticut malloy cameçó to mayor -- >> he was mayor for 14 years, and by the way, when you sit down and talk to dan malloy, he said, guess what, my numbers are low. i've done this before.çó >> he's been through a lot politically and personally. >> yeah. >> and his career.xd >> and, [](s&ie, malloy'slpfá m and if yuxxd won a city likeñi stamford for 14 years, you know there's ups and you know there are downs. are e experiencee1w3xd,ñi i think we're seeing it in washington right now,w3 there's not a -- there's not a substitute. >> well, you said looking at it in washington, you take thefá t,nplevel, and you seex1 what hd yesterday where you had two united states senators coming out with a proposal saying maybe we ought to raisexd the medicar eligibility two years and immediately had theirc heads chopped off. so, toçó have a rational conversation in washington is almost impossible at this point. >> time for the yeas and cnays, >> we'll see what happens at 11:30 this morning as we talk expected to holdw3xd a newslp mpdiscuss the budget and the de ceiling debate. the white house also says the president's scheduled to meet with senate democratic leaders on the budget later today. it comes as a bipartisan expenditures and help spark a deal on the deficitlp gets ac mi reaction on capitol hill. the plan sponsored by senators joe liebermanñi and tom coburn would cutfá $600 billion int(ok spendingw3 over the next ten yes while raising medicare's eligibility age to 67 from 65 seniors. >> when does that move? ezra, do you knowçó when the yes go up? >> i don't know whatok the schedulonbis. the other thing in the littleçó summary, there's at( lot more ct sharing. a lot of that plan's money comes not just from thee1 eligibility age and means testing but the structure of the medicare benefit changes, you'll have to pay a lot more in deductibles, i'm nott( saying it's good or b >> right. but that's obviously a very important third prong to this. everybody's saluted -- >> now we've got it, no? the plan drew sharp criticism from top democrats with house minority leader nancy pelosi callingc the plan, quote, unacceptable. in a statement pelosi said in part, it is unfair to ask seniors to get less in benefits and wait longer to get on to medicare all while republicans back taxçó breaks for big oil corporations that ship american jobs overseas. meanwhile, pelosi's c'á3terpart, house speakerok jo boehner, pushedxdxnback on &fuutttáurjju that thexd u.s. c default if a deficit deal isn't reached by early august. >> nobodywnk believes that the united states is going to walk away from its obligations. when i said this is the moment and this is the opportunity, it's exactly what i mean. dealing with this debt problem artificial date created by the treasury secretary. >> mike?clplp it's just chaos. >> what do you want to bet what jf to adjust thee1 age of seniors islp probably taking effect in, like, 50 years? what do youqok wantlp to bet? >>jf okay. we'll check. hold on, i'mt( going to find ou. >> we'lle1 check. the bowles commission which did eñ did affect george w. geist and jeff scarborough, who are both 3 years old. i don't know.w3 listen, it's -- it needs to bet pushed back. this is the thing, too,jf you can't start talking about medicare or even cutting expenditures without everything getting gooped up. ezra, as youok said a cc15ñ ago and we're not going to be able to slash and burn the next couple e1years. or else we're going to face a double-dip recession. but this is long term. we have to take long-term steps. >> you got to toss some of this stuff out, and we havep, to be able to do a little bit more for the reco.qy now and we have to be able to do a little bit -- a lot more actually for deficit reduction later. i was talking last night, i was at a tshow in new york and i wa talking to a conservative columnist, a guy i know a little bit, he+ said, what thet(c hel you doing in washington? i said, what do you mean? he said, why does no one on my side of the aisle orc the other side of the aisle care about jobs? i'm a right wing guy, but he said we have a jobsñi is unlike anything we'vew3 seen got it. it's like they don't knowçó abo it. they're doingjf whatever they'v been ñidoing, there's not one thing the parties are pushing that they wouldn't have beent( pushing in 2006 andñr 2003xd in( eviden+9in a 97, and he's right. work. continues, the jobs crisis, which will continue for quite some time, because of their inability in washingtonc o talkçó about it,ñi there>)( goio be a political jobs crisis, because there's going to be from coast to coast in each state, and you can feel itfá in grocer aisles, at gas stations, and it is term t(limits. people are going to be saying, get them out of there. give them three terms in the house, two terms in theñi senat ut ofxd there.ms in theñi senat because they do -- all they do is look at the next election they think in two-year segments. >> the president willo)i] come and speak at lp11:30 this morni. t heard from both age, gradually two years, they're immediately shot down. the other idea of perhaps raising taxes on thee1 wealthie of americans,fá immediately shu down, both nonstarters. %9q do to change the points of view of either z')qqñ >> let me add, what would happen today if the president shocked the political world and came out and said, okay, hoinks tere's t, nobody will like it. here's how we're going to fix it. secondly, everybody that's 50 67. get over it. cuts two years from now arjf just for people making over r $250,000 but for e1everybody. and -- orzach was right, my apologies. and i'm goi2/kq= work with the >> and i don't care if you like me. >> because poor people are getting treatedñr terribly. >> 3wqy!q9ñ >> in our health care system, but i'm going to sit and work with the republicans. we're going to figurelp this ou and guessko what, i just savedd save, now let's go back3w%tvlp jobs. ez ezra, what would happen? balanced the budget entirely through taxt(q increas and did almost nothing on the spending side. raising the retirement age has ( talismanic approach. i think it's a prettyçó bad ide but xrushl crucially it does no yjx that much money. va what if the president saidx unsustainable, it 4%. >> he has. ite1 down to gdp plus 1% and that's 4% and then in hisçó apr deficit package brought it down change the benefit package. if we can get changes in the 5t bush tax cuts are $4 trillion. one year after the deepwater horizon ñrdisaster, the oil has dispersed and the beaches are clean. butxd is the seafood safe?c celebrity chefsc from the gulf coast are here with their delici%ój answer. they join us next. but, first, let's go to bill karins with the forecast. bill? >> summertime is definitely here. temperatures warm across the country. unfortunately with summertime comes tropical systems we have the "a"-named storm, the first one of the season, it's tropical storm arlene, it's in the gulf of mexico an$ñf that, of course piquest( everybody attention, b this will be mexico's problem no one else's, and it'spga located right about there and it'sfá headed towards tampico, mexico, tomorrow at this time. the forecast looks great from q! nicevffáday, not as humid e, pittsburgh, one of the best days you'll see forñi a while. middle oféúq country. the area colo2"d in red is where temperatures are above 90. watch the heat fromt( denver to kansas city, it's going to spread through the central thursday, and then it will the northeast, even areas like this wednesday morning. we're brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. welcome back to "morning joe." it's been a little over a yeap3 since the deepwater horizon explosionq ultimately sent 172 gulf of mexico.w3e1 and with images of w3oil-slicke water dominating the news, one linger question as the regionc recovers has been if the seafood >> you know, and that's aok hug question to have. >>nú absolutely. >> for myñi hometown, pensacola for the gulf coast, for america, because about atr)d of all the seafood in america comes from y >> las4d night's celebrityok c chamber of commerce hosted a dinner at the james beard house to answer thew3 question with a resounding yes. and joining us on the set one o( pensacola'se1c premierc chefs f the fish house, jim shirley, along with the chairman of the pensacolaçó chamber of commerce merrill, and susan t( angora. nice to have you here. >> why did you." de;i to set oast y did you." de;i to set chefs up to new york? >> our foundation's mission is to celebrate and celebrateñit( americas diverse culturecland future and we do it with the james beard awards which are like the oscar of the food industry. we give hundreds of thousands of + be chefs likeok chef jim shirley of pensacola that cooked last night. r)j focus on theuhárends and the importany when weñi heard about the koñr anniversaryñi of the5a pensaco area and the great things happening3w there and the five chefs that cooked at the beard ìc% restaurantst( and weçójfok want seafood is delicious as well as > it is. it's remarkable, collier, obviously we know that people that grow up in pensacola and that region, but over the past year, a lot of people have believed, that notok just pensacola, this isn't just about my hometown, bust that the gulf coast is not open for business, hen the fact of the matter is, it never closed. it never closed. >> we're wié and that's been the problem, we talked about it many times, the media came in after the oil spill, a little over a yearñi a now and showed the same pelican covered in oil over and over and over, we don't even know where the pelican was, but it showed it, and peoqacola got tainted that way. >> it wasn't in pensacola, we ended up getting a couple of drops of oil on a beach one time. and i askede1 you about the satis seafood, becauset( obviously as you know, we go down to pensacola all theo) time, my ki the one thing that people don't ever. it is safáp in world tested more than ours is right now. >> all across the gulf coast fromxd louisiana down to tampa. 3p absolutely. we appreciate what you are doing. you came back on the ñi anniversary, we had commissioner adam putnam as you know talking about all txeó testing he's doig for the state of florida. there's nofá seafood that is tested more than ourfá seafood, the gulf, and it's all great, all comes back c100%. >> jim shirley, the executive chef at the fish house, had is a fabulous place, but what was it like cooking at the james beard house and what did you cook? >> t(well,p,v45ñçó i did my s. >> it'sxd amazing. it's about 1,500ñrht calories serving. but ipúms amazing. >> okay. you did spit them out that one time. >>ok no, no. they were j >> oh, he's still hurt.w3 >>xd explainw3 what it is, g again, this is the thing you talk about, you talk about -- >> that must have been fáçólpfu. >> -- justñi ya-ya, you take a little bitlp of new orleans and florida and mix it all up. >> we've got a great southern history in pew5((át and the great gulf seafood, so all the things rolled to(sáher. you saw a lot of that in the dishes with fried green tomatoes.ñr we had some great local clams. we had local w3scamp, the itiin. we're proud to be cooking at the james beard which is the highlight. >> that's the place. >> it's the highlight. you were there before. >> i was at theñi awards one yed oscar of food. >> has businessxd come backxd t florida, alabama, mississippi, louisiana, the areas that wereñd impacted? >> it's coming back.fu?m$c% >> because of the bp spill. >> it's coming jfback. the media said that our beaches were coated in oil. as you know, they weren't. some people said, you know, why take that chance. they wentjf to myrtleçó beach,ç went to somewhere else and we'rk stú)ying to get them back. we don't want them to go away andok saying we'll stay in myrt beach.çó we want tojffát( get them back. tourism is up. we're not looking for hand-outs, like i said before, we're looking for people to come back. >> let's talk about the claims process, is it starting to pick up a little bit? or are there still a lot of problems there? >> i've held off talking about bp in the past, because they're going to say they're doing what thevó)e doing. they're not.m why?ñii] >> i hear, oh, there's so many claims, that's the story that keeps coming out. there. they need to hire more people to process the claims and get thet people in the pensacola areajf d others all along the gulf coast the money that they deserve. >> restaurantsxd play such a hu role in our home area, but really all across america. >> i qmean, food is our common ground, jameskyqp)d saiql and, you know, really the communities c r part of them really represent where people live, and down in pensacola, the chefs, jim was talking about the shrimp thate1e served last night that it was a special shrimp, you know, right k"tp)e, the foodçóñi defines ou culture and that's why it's so exciting thatp, we can bring cs froma5bez over the country to nw york to really represent th) great diversity ofñi americanko cuisine at the beard house. >> it is exciting. >> and the president of the james beard foundation to have the?; executive chef at the fi house and other chefs from the pensacola area, theñi gulf xdar come and cook there and celebrate their food there, that is an endorsementko not only o the safety, but of the quality. >> oh, absolutely.e1w3 all the chefs that cooked, herb miller and frankw3 taylorw3 and >> andq gus.+ >> and gus syllabus and dan dunn are all very well-reviewed, well-respected!uq chefs and th just made a five star appearance last night at the beard house. >> w3so, collier, what's next? how are you going to get the message out that, again, florida is open for business? northwest florida's open forxd k business=3 what you all are doing ñiand, mika, we appreciate you doing your show down there and we got to keep getting that out. we were abandoned after the media went away, the oil left the beaches and so the media left, and so everybody's kind of left with that message that oil iá'y still there. these, the events that we did at james beard house last night which is fantastic and keep doing stuff like that. we had a sellout last night. writers, the more wk( can get stuff out like that, the ñimore you know, that people come back and visit us. the more you don't make fun of our restaurants.soi >> well now -- >> mika said you could do it. the drinks are amazing and i will tell you táñw3 beaches are amazing. i was the?; first time -- >> ixd wantt( to end that by tag about -- >> miky( made me promise that yu weren't going to do lpthat. >> and haugh you have tot( be p. >> i basically live there when i'm in florida. >> live where? >> the fish house. >> don't let them down. >> i'll stop myself. jim, congratulations, i know that had to be a great thrill. >> it was. it was right there at thexk top. right there. >> thank you. >> we really loved doing it. >> and jim shirley, thank you. >> hope that you'll come and enjoylp an evening at the beard jouse. anybody can come, it's ")n to t( everybody. >> it's not ai] private it is open to everyone. >> thank you.yf=@5"tqi rñ my wiñ business before the bell is next. 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[ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. ♪xdw3 let's get a check on business beforew3 the bell with cnbc's simon hobbs, he's live in the new york stock exchange.w3 simon, anarchy in the greet isles. >> this isxd pictures of tear g being fired into protesters outside the greek parliament. moments of what seems to have been a tragedy that has ,-a%9m%"át parliament you have the primec minister appealing nw in the last fewñi moments. that's theñi speaker. avery,ok fá majority to a man and woman to vote through further pain and anguish on the population in order that they ofn money as a result of the austerity possiblye1lp within t next couple of weeks. we're now in the crucial lastño simon? does greece really have any choice but to approve these measures? >> the central bank of greece said if they didn't vote, it 4zo5jááv suicide for theq are massive because it would bring european financial the same way when the world bank ñ ävd!crisis+ there, so american banks could suffer if the greek institutions went down. this is absolutely critical nowf but understand the scale of what the politicians are voting through, in one year they've voted through cuts or tax>2%ders in the united states that would be the equivalent of $3 trillion. ã they voted it through in just 12w3 months because they kc intellectually if theyçó don't inflict more pain in a country that is then the whole thing will melt down.çó will be solvent. the pensions would be nothing worth. it's an absolutelyfá critical f everyone involved. >> you mentioned that the suicide vote, one greekt( lawmar toldçów3 "the financial times" morning, we don't have a plan which is the last letter of the greekc alphabet. any chance they are overstating it to get a deal through or will the catastrophe happen? >> europe is talking behind closed doorsjffáñi what they do ultimately you do get suicide from the parliament and they don't vote through the austerity, but they're only talking about proppinge1 up the banks to try and save the rest of the european -- thexd europe economic system. you know, ifçó greece doesn't ve this through, the implications are absolutely massive forjf anybody in world markets. there's no doubt about that. >> mike, you werejf shaking the head, they have no choice. >> we just returnedt( from gree on sunday. they have absolutely no choice.r thexd country --cfá simon is absolutely right. if they don't do this ctoday, portugalqxd germany ist(oki]qly defending its own economy because they seem to bec thet( ultimateok bankert( nowt( for a the boxed-out countries like r greece. >> can i also mention this is the only thing, it's a major thing, but it's the only thing that the rest of the world has do, deliver ane1 austerity and then the money begins to flood, are due in thet( middle of july and then over the +vxsummer,?; willxd get $170 billione1 as a second bigxd package, so this i the watershed. this is theok line that the unid states>!s" the imf andxd theeìc% union have d÷!$9 for the politicájsák you must deliver on this to get somer then we will flood you wit♪ moneyt( to help. that's what we're seeing.l) ->> much. up xdt(next, we're going tok incredible. >> why did you go there?xd why did you pick athens? >> good reason.%->> special oly terrific. >> exactly. and worth going. you're absolutely right. thank you. we'll be back in a moment talking to gabe shermanñi about the sarah palin guessing game when we return. >> announcer: this past year alone there's been a 67% spike in companies embracing the cloud-- big clouds, small ones, public, private, even hybrid. your data and apps must move easily and securely to reach many clouds, not just one. that's why the network that connects, protects, and lets your data move fearlessly through the clouds means more than ever. ♪ we want to win south we want to win new hampshire!xd we want to win iowa! we want to win hawaii!ñi and we think that there's a certain hawaiian resident that maybe should go back to hawaii.r should we help him fill out his change of address form today? because barack obamaok needs toe a one-term president!ct( joiningt( us now contributi eder for "new york" magazine, a lot this morning, we'll start with sarah palin. i'm looking at "the washington post," head of the politics and nation page, in iowa palinlp sa he's contempla she's contemplating. >> we've heard this story before, i'm surprised it's in the newspaper. the will she or won't she dance has been going on for six months. >> why is it being covered? >> to palin's fácredit, you kno she justt(t( milks it, she feed more. the bus tour going to iowa, new yhire, at some point we're going to have to wonder is she going to make a decision or not. >> yeah. yeah. >> mike? >> you know, i don't think she'll run, but i mean, everything i read indicates thap she's leaning toward running. i think if she does run, though, her issue is largely personal, note1 political. gainst michele . bachmann, i think shelp hurts herself, because michele bachmann clearly has shown ançó ability to listen to people running her campaign, something that former governor palin has never indicated. she gets out there on the stump. i don't think she compares well rhetorically with michele bachmann and thus afterq three r four months she drops down in the polls to bachman, she eventually is driven out of the race orw3 kowithdraws from the and there go her speakingt( fee. >> they've got the same mìc% public policyt( poll showing thatçó if you put sarah palin in the lprace,jf they're you take sarah palin out, she's drawn with romney for first. >> andlp if rick perry gets int the race, he'll draw from the same socialxd conservative pool and thus basically a three-way fight feasting over the same demographic. >> mitt romney's just praying for it. he wants as many in there as he can get. >>ó/spuájátk would love rick pe >> -- michele bachmann fighting each other. >> the more scared(jf the republican party of their extremist, the more mitt romney looks good. >> look at new hampshire, mitt p &hc% agree withsá i don't know why she keeps announcingñ about it. >> they say there are no pl. the only two people that know are herjn3 and todd.w3 so thisxdxd endless speculatione that she plays ist( really counterproductive, because unless she's going to actually announce something concrete, what is she talking about? >> haven't we seen this before with other potential candidates that never ran but got a lot out of it? >> and guess what's happening? there was a thought two ort( the months ago that mitt romney was so weak that aqfát( candidatk(ñ emerge in september or october. what rick perry is finding right now, according toe1 mark halper is, it ain't soxd easy to raise money anymore. >> yeah. >> in fact, some people closexdo rick perry are nowfb backing o because they've been veryi]çóok disappointed that the donors haven't come forward the way they expected them to come forward and he's probably not going to run. sarah palin at some point -- at some point the mediaw3 can i]sa and it's sarah palin either trying to get publicity or being because at some point there aren't donors there. mitt romney is going to produce an s.e.c. report coming up there's no place for sarah palin toe1 go to raise+ ñimoney. >> two things. first of all, you talked to the romney people, they are amazingly confident about their in the gop 3wfield.ñi the second point is whatg just said about sarah palin. the palin orbit.?; )jjip &hc% >> w3no. >>ñi because she has none. >> yeah. >> she has none.q it's her. >> the orbit is todd andñiçó -- >> it's ako revolving cast of >> it's akoho come in and out she has fallings out and she reconciles but there's no concrete structure that she put in place that he can flip on the campaign. >> gabe, what you wanted to talk about, the bigger question, why is the media reporting on sarah palin? why dil@the washington post" put this on page three? why are we talking about it? >> why did they send a whole alaska to read the e-mails. i for one felt the story was grossly overplayed, and what were they looking for? she's not -- she's a person of public interest, but she's not a candidatep( and the resources [ ñomlwáted to that story i fel were overblown compared to what was -- what was o:aere. >>xde1 "the washington post," " it sound like, 9'@ know,t( martiansj7ç invade in three day. had the -- she was right that, you know, the media was giving her oversize jfattention. >> butxd at this point, ezra, a with a front-r so far ahead, raising all thee1 money,lp at this point, this aura of donald trump pumping up "apprentice" ratings. >> it'st( absurd but we're talkg about it here. if you said to any of us why are we talking about it here, you'd get a good answer. at some point to be a collective action decision to stop talking about palin, becausefá i don't know at this point a single person who thinks she has any shot. >> so, l[4÷ me ask you this question,e1 of course,fá sarah palin, a lot of conservatives like her, a little less than used to, but "the washington why does the editor at your -- and i'm not knocking the editor. we're trying to answer this question. your editor decided to make a choice to put it on page a-3 at the top.ok wase1 that to sellfá newspapers is there at( news value toc it? what -- >> i can't speak for theñ edito. >> ixd know you can't. i'm just saying -- >> but fádo. >> -- whatever my editor at "the washington post" decided, i'm sure it was the right decision. >> of course, it was. >> please. page. to be more straightforward about it, that looks to me like"ñ what's going on in the republican primary yesterday page. know what else is goin on in the republican primary >> do you know what this says to me, mike barnicle, you look at the headline, the headline says, andko this is a fascinating st, she cannot stand the attention that michele bachmann is?; getg and she is going to do whatever she can -- >> no doubt. >> --3wçó trying to step on th like she tried to step onñi mit romney's announcement in new hampshire, this is driving her crazy that michele bachmannko completely stolen her spotlight. >> there's no doubt in my minu3 that you're correct about that, about yourlp assessment of her. there's also no doubt inñi my md that at some point soon, in the meetings inçó newspapers, major newspapers around the country,x slots for theok following morning's paper is going to look at the palin stories and decide, story at the length we're doing it, i want to know about the lives of the americans we're losing in iraq anz( afghanistan. i want to know about thefá families of the people who are dying in iraq and a&ganistan. it's a better story. >> yep. >> it's a more compelling story( >> and she stepped away from fox temporarily, right, because she's contemplating? she's not an analyst there, right? >> no, she is. >> you can't do that, right? >> well, but that's -- >> i don't get it, if you're contemplating for president, you probably should step off the air.t( >> that's the standard for some other fátalent. >> oh, not for her? e1ales and other, they've allowedçóok to her to stay on. äí could that be the reason for that -- >> can i say, i'm sow3 bored, le the class bored with the usa, i'm so bored with these sarah palin stories. >> gabe sherman, thank you. we'll be right back. 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