>> i hear so much optimism in your voice still. >> i think i was born that way. i think it's the only way we can live. it sometimes may sound naive. ooh i remember thinking what i was -- when i was at the civil rights march, we're going to change america. maybe we didn't change america completely. but we made huge changes at that time. if you have optimism, at least you have the confidence if you act something will happen. it may take a long time. as martin luther king talked about, the arc of the universe, all that stuff takes a long time, but it moves toward justice, and i do believe that. >> thank you, doris kearns goodwin, for this incredible conversation. >> i'm so glad to have been with you. that is all for today. thank you for watching. we will be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ with all due respect, you didn't give me a plan for the