public sentiment. i still think in the end that the majority of the people understood what happened in that election. i think the majority of people are for the basic values that we are talking about right now for democracy. it's just a matter of them speaking out and recognizing that it is in danger. it's up to us. it's not up to somebody else. it's up to us to save it. >> the republican nominee has yet to accept the results of the last election. within the context of this conversation and your concerns about the nation's democracy, how much of a threat do you think the democracy is facing right now? do you think the country can survive this threat? >> well, i think the real threat is when the republican, the former president says if he doesn't win, he won't accept the results of this next election, which means we may have a recurring battle for who's really elected each time we do this, and that's a real problem. i mean, all the candidates when you look at the ones who lost, it's really hard to lose, and