questions, but it does raise possibility these folks could be heard from veventually and demo have said from the beginning, they're comfortable in the set of facts they've been able to establish thus far. they can make the case they believe on the facts without getting a mulvaney or bolton, but what those witnesses would offer is that they are household names. they have direct access to the president. so will whether a bolton or mulvaney testifies in senate or house intel's process, whether they testify in a senate trial or whether somebody like bolton speaks out as part of his book deal, the public facing part of this is where they are useful. in terms of convincing the public to go along with an impeachment inquiry, not establishing the key facts which are laid out, which i have my hand on and we'll dig into when one of y'all starts talking. >> mark hurry, i'm going to give him a chance to report on this.

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