about? >> i don't recall. >> would that be normal? in all of your interactions with ambassadors and heads of states and governments, if there's some element of the u.s. government that they have spoken to, isn't it usually a step that they come in, talk to the ambassador, try to clarify what that statement was? is that a true characterization of how elements of diplomacy work? >> i think that's a responsible possibility. things work all kinds of different ways these days. >> when you met with president zelensky after the july 25th phone call, july 26th, did the investigations or joe biden come up in that meeting? >> i don't recall joe biden coming up. >> was there any frustration expressed to you by the phone call that happened the day before? >> no. everyone said it was a good call. >> is your interactions with president zelensky, is he a straight shooter, or is he a liar? >> he impressed me greatly and that's why i wanted to get he and president trump together as