is recrevealing -- >> if it wasn't to your show, they would destroy him absolutely. you are the difference between donald trump and richard nixon. in nixon's case, if he had someone that stuck up for him, he wouldn't have been motivated to cover up that burglary, he would have let the perpetrators get just deserts. >> and i'm a little confused on what he meant, but i think he is getting at this question, if president nixon had an entire network dedicated to his defense during watergate, would he have resigned. joining me now, dylan byers and also rick wilson. gentlemen, thank you. the reach of fofox news, who ary speaking to and how effective is it? >> they are speaking to the trump base obviously. in terms of how effective it is, look, on the one hand, you know,