much worse it could get if they cut him loose. iran-contra, a scandal where bad things happened, but investigations did not prove that the president was involved, they cut people loose who they said didos the bad things. gordon sondland admitted he was at the center of a plot to do bad things and he brought receipts of emails that showed pompeo and mulvaney were on the email plotting about how that call in advance with ukraine was going to be about the investigation. so all thatou stacks up. one other point i would make that is lessul helpful to democrats, maybe slightly helpful to republicans, i don't think david holmes was an effective witness today. i don't think it matters, because he was just confirming other things. you canhe see where experience comes into play. miss hill, so experienced, so factual, so focused. mr. holmes, who was around for way less important stuff went on the longest.