it. >> this is a man again who you said is a surrogate father. do you think he had at all regrets lying to congress? >> no. i'll tell you why. because he feels twofold. he has an undying loyalty to donald. i don't think it'slt deserved. i don't think anybody should have an undying loyalty to donald. >> why does he havelt that loyalty? >> you can talk to him about it. i argued with him about it during the campaign. i looked at the grand jury and said roger committed to crimes, by the way. i instructed roger, i argued to roger for three reasons, i said i understand you want the publicity. don't do this, one, because hillary clinton at that point, it looked like she was going to win, you're going to be in big trow trouble, james comey is investigating you and if donald wins, he'll -- a lot of people will be upset if he does not