and that he replaced him with a yes man. i mean, we ought to mention that some of the episodes of the obstruction of justice did occur when he was chief of staff. but it is an extraordinary moment and it's also extraordinary how many of the folks in trump world are now breaking their silence and willing to come out and speak. and i think -- i think the dam is really beginning to break and you're starting to see this. and the -- the trump -- the slap-back at john kelly came awfully quickly but i think that's also an indication of how thin their skin is and how vulnerable they feel to voices like this. >> i mean of note here, glenn kershner, is that we are seeing a military man. i mentioned this earlier. four-star marine general. we have ambassador taylor. also a military man for decades. crossing the president. this used to be his safe space, if you will. >> richard, you know, i have to admit my pulse quickened a little bit when i saw that -- that john kelly statement. and here's why. if we drill down behind what he