Who was later suspected of having committed the crime of firstdegree murder. That was just what the grand jury decided ofafter being presented evidence from just one side. The grand jury does or does not return an indictment. You may return that former New York State Supreme Court justice famously said any prosecutor worth his salt can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. In this case alex hunter decided after looking at the grand jurys resume nations and the result of the indictment they signed, there was in and out enough evidence to prosecute anyone, john or patricia or anyone else. Here we are 14 years later. That is still the case. We are no closer to knowing what happened to Jonbenet Ramsey on christmas night and the morning after christmas in 1996. Craig. Mike, what, if anything, does this mean for the investigation Going Forward . Reporter well, legally nothing. In terms of the investigation, its still an active investigation, open homicides remain open indefinitely. The d. A. In this case, alan garnett, says that it remains an active investigation it remains an open investigation but is not at the moment active, so theres no new evidence to follow up at this point. Craig. We know that patsy ramsey died in 2006 from ovarian cancer. Have we heard anything so far from john ramsey, any reaction . Reporter nothing new. We reached out to his attorneys, and the only statement we have from that side is one of the filings in this case, basically opposing the motion to release this document, basically saying that releasing this document now of an unprosecuted indictment only further tends to defame john and Patricia Ramsey, Patricia Ramsey died in 2006. John ramsey has written two books about them, both of them pro claiming their innocence in every form imaginable since the death of their daughter in 1996. Mike taibbi live for us in boulder, colorado. Mike, thank you. Big backlash for big brother this morning. The Obama Administration vowing to review its surveillance practices as european leaders demand talks. They found out were spying on them and theyre really, really mad. Or are they . An adviser to president obama promised a thorough review. Lisa monaco wrote this oped, an assistant to the president for homeland security. At the same time the paper hit the newsstands, European Union leaders were meeting in brussels, leaders including angela merkel, francois olan who were reportedly spied on, want formal talks with president obama. For us, spying on Close Friends and partners is totally unacceptable. And heres the guy, heres the guy who put all of this in the open, Edward Snowden, of course, who told the guardian that the u. S. Spied on more than 30 world leaders. Heres what senator marco rubio said about that this morning. A lot of what youre seeing from these european leaders is for the domestic consumption of their own public, but at the end of the day, everyone knew there was gambling going on in casablanca. Yesterday the Obama Administration pushed back on reports they were spying on merkel and the spy agencys practices. We are not going to comment publicly on every specified alleged intelligence activity. Wee made clear that the United States gathers foreign intelligence of the type gathered by all nations. So adding some comedy to all of the drama, news that the head of the nsa himself was spied on. A Huffington Post blogger just so happened to be on the same acela train as michael hayden. He sent out tweets like this one on acela. Listening to former nsa spy boss, michael hayden, give offrecord interviews. I feel like im in the nsa, except im in public. Democratic congressman adam smith of washington is the Ranking Member on the House Armed Services committee. Congressman, good to see you. Good morning. The headlines at this point pouring in now. Now the u. S. Is alerting its partners that Edward Snowden has documents documents about their cooperation with our government. In the same german paper that reports that the spying took place at the u. S. Embassy in berlin, an opinion piece suggests, quote, more and more friendly states feel duped and betrayed by the United States. How much has u. S. Trust, congressman, how much has u. S. Trust with its allies been compromised . Well, i think senator rubio is at least partly correct, that a lot of this is for domestic consumption. That we work very, very closely with our allies on a lot of investigations overseas and elsewhere. I dont think theres a lot of surprises here. Now, it has harmed our relationship. I think its appropriate that the president and other National Security leaders are reaching out to try to repair those relationships, but we have a very, very cooperative relationship, particularly with france, germany and Great Britain on all manner of intelligence to protect our mutual interests. Our mutual interests are very large. So i think well get past this, but in the short term there is going to be some fence mending needed to be done. So it sounds like youre saying that you think that some of the surprise thats being expressed by European Union leaders, some of that is feigned . I think you have to deal with your domestic audience and what they think about whats going on and what the leaders of the government know about whats going on. What i know is that we have, as i said, a very cooperative relationship with all of those countries. I served on the Intelligence Committee as a term. Weve worked together with those nations on a ton of things in our mutual interest and we will continue to do so. Meanwhile, weve got the former head of the nsa who feels comfortable giving a phone interview on a highspeed train but the guy behind him is a reporter tweeting it out to the world. Michael hayden on acela giving reporters disparaging quotes about Obama Administration. Remember, just refer as former senior admin and then he loses a clever hash tag here as well. To his credit, hayden did end up posing for a selfie after the tweeting reporters cover was blown by phone calls hayden got reporting that his phone interview was viral on twitter. The new York Magazine asked why he did it and heres his response. I thought the former head of nsa and a retired general attacking the president on background was lame. Say it in a book like everyone else. Whats your reaction to that, congressman . Well, the biggest lesson here is how much things have changed just in the last five or ten years. Theres not as much secret information as there used to be. Governments, individuals, everybody whos conducting their Business Needs to become more aware of the fact that its painfully easy. I mean forget about what the government is doing. As you said, a private individual sitting on a train can pick this up, let alone what private hackers can do. Privacy is not what it used to be. Whether youre a government, an individual, a business, no matter who you are, if you are communicating, you need to assume that somebody might be listening and take a different approach. I think we need to learn that lesson. Before i let you go i want to talk about the obama care website problems really quickly. Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius is in austin, texas, we just saw her a few moments ago there. Last night she was at a phoenix Enrollment Call Center where she acknowledged the flawed rollout. However, when she was asked about the letter, that 33 lawmakers sent to president obama calling for her resignation, this was her response. The majority of people calling for me to resign i would say are people who i dont work for, and who do not want this program to work in the first place. I have had frequent conversations with the president and i have committed to him that my role is to get the program up and running and we will do just that. At that sideshow of the house hearing, contractors all pointed fingers at the white house, they were pointing fingers at each other as well. What should the outcome be here, congressman . Well, its not surprising that the contractors wouldnt take the blame. They want to get paid. They have a contract. There are legal matters here. Look, there are two things about this. Number one, it is an inexcusable messup and it really has to start at the top. Its the Obama Administration that was responsible for putting this together, and they are the ones that have to fix it. It is a terrible mistake, but it is fixable. Thats the most important thing. The program itself is going to give Health Insurance to millions of people who dont have it and give us a more efficient and Effective Health care system. We have to press forward with that. I think its also worth noting that when they rolled out the Medicare Part d plan that the republicans in the house passed, Prescription Drug benefit, it had all manner of problems as well. The major difference was democrats at the time, even though we had opposed the plan, supported efforts to fix it, whereas the republicans across the country, all they want to do is kill it. And youve seen the stories come out that arent true about the problems. So, you know, its law of the land. If we could have people at least try to make it work instead of trying to kill it, that too would help it be more effective. Congressman adam smith of washington, congressman, always a pleasure. Have a great weekend. You too. Folks, were following some breaking news right now. This is in North Carolina. A live look there. Firefighters are battling a huge fire at the dh griffin wrecking company. This is in greensboro, North Carolina. Police say that the fire itself involves salvaged household appliances. The smoke there can be seen, were told, from miles away. At this point firefighters on the scene there say that that fire is contained. Theres another look here from the helicopter. You can see those plumes of smoke just billowing high into the sky. Very thick, very dense smoke. At this point, though, again, that fire is contained. Were told there are no reports of injuries right now. Again, some breaking news for you in greensboro, North Carolina. Were keeping our eye on this story and will pass along new information as it becomes available. 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This is a case where good politics and good policy kind of intersect because its mostly, as you said, these red state democrats or democrats who face competitive reelections, but its not entirely them. For example, Dianne Feinstein of california is calling for an extension of the open enrollment. She is the farthest thing from an endangered red state democrat. Because they know its just simple reality. If these sites and other means to sign up dont start working soon, theyre going to have to extend the rollout, theres no other way to do it. Youll have to have longer open enrollment and a delay. Cheryl, let me come to you. Under president bush, we just heard this from the congressman as well, republicans defended the administrations attempt to implement Medicare Part d back in 2005 and 2006. There were major computer glitches back then as well. So is it hypocritical as well that the same republicans urging americans to be patient back then are now all up in arms flailing their arms about wildly . I think that republicans are digging themselves a deeper hole. Look, there are serious issues with the rollout, inexcusable issues. As a technologist by trade, i see that these data display issues, timeouts, Data Connectivity may add up to data capture issues, meaning that even people who enrolled may not have the right information in their policy and so theres going to be Customer Care needed down the line. I think that we need republicans on board to help fix the problem, because once people actually are in the system and everything is functioning smoothly, everyone is going to see that they can save thousands of dollars and their benefits are improved. Its a boon to all americans. Right now we want to show Kathleen Sebelius, the health and Human Services secretary is in texas and shes taking questions and whatnot. We just wanted to show this to you. Let me come back to you for a second, bengy, because so much has been made of Kathleen Sebelius handling of the situation or lack thereof. Is this a crisis that she survives politically . Theres no doubt its a crisis. Politically i think the secretary is correct, that a lot of the people calling for her resignation so far are people who dont want this law to work in the first place. They dont want people to be signed up on these exchanges. On the other hand, the results speak for themselves. Either they fix this or they dont. If this law is seriously damaged and these problems go on for quite a while, theres going to have to be some kind of accountability. Lets listen in for just a few moments again. This is Kathleen Sebelius in austin, texas, taking some questions from reporters. We have people enrolling through the call center, in person and on paper and we want to remind people that there are alternate ways to go. They have 26 weeks. No one is losing Health Coverage today. No one gets new benefits until january 1st. And if an individual signs up by the 15th of december, they will have coverage on day one. So i think its important to know that there is time. There wont be a sellout of products. And the price will not change. Some consumers are talking about how they have to give an abundance of personal information before they can find out how much its going to cost them. Why is it set up that way . Well, its set up that way because the tax credit is based on an individuals income. Its impossible to tell someone what they qualify for in terms of a tax credit. And the tax credit is a reduction in their premium thats automatically loaded at the front end. Its not a credit that they get at the end of the year, it reduces the price of their premium. So what people told us they wanted to know as quickly as possible is what it would cost for me and my family. That was an important price point. Thats why step one was to give them the ability to go through no one is required, once they find out what plans cost, to do anything other than look at the plans and they dont have to continue on. But you cant tell an individual what exactly they will be paying until we know what their income is, how many family members there are and what they want. The anonymous shopper with just prices of plans is open and available. People can go on that side and that site, but frankly it doesnt tell you what youre going to pay at the end of the day and thats really what folks told us they wanted to know. Will there be an extension again, Kathleen Sebelius in austin, texas, there, she was answering a question from a reporter. And the question sounded very similar to an issue that was raised yesterday by congressman joe barton out of texas, who spent some time during that hearing talking about the amount of personal information that had to be shared on the