Extract a rapsonsom to do our j. Good afternoon. Were still not clear what it will take to reopen the government and now from the looks of things, it seems like one crisis may bleed in on the other. Were just 1 d1 days from crashg through the at the time ceiling. I told the president there is no way well pass when the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. Senator ted cruz use the debt ceiling as his next bargaining chip . It has been the best leverage that congress has to rein in the executives. Plus captured alive. U. S. Commandos launched twin terror raid this is weekend arresting one of the worlds most wanted men. Members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run but they cant hide. And no options. The states that refuse to expand medication are leavings americah insurance. And miley cyrus bringing the circus to the snl stage. Find out who survived. Lots to get to, but we start with day six of the Government Shutdown and today the talk was all about nearing the debt ceiling deadline. The white house took advantage of the sunday talk show circuit with treasury secretary jack lew who appeared on four of the sunday shows. Republicans countered with House Speaker john boehner. Lets get right to the brain trust. Julie pace, White House Correspondent, bob hurder, and zachary caravelle, columnist from reuters. Between to see you. Julie, john boehner laying blame for a potential debt limit crisis squarely at the feet of president obama. Take a listen. The nations credit is at risk because of the administrations refusal to sit down and have a conversation. Theyre saying its at risk because of your refusal to pass a clean debt limit. We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. Under no circumstances . I told the president the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. Julia sat down with president obama for an interview friday night. Did you sense any signs of him softening . No, not at all. And it really is striking just how far apart the president and john boehner are at this point. The conversation that theyre having now about the debt ceiling now is very similar to the conversation that they have been having about the government shut up to o shutdown where the president says these are two things, that congress simply has to do alone. John boehner acting at the behest of a lot of the conservative members of his caucus say, hey, lets use both as opportunities to extract some kind of concession from the president , whether its on health care, whether its on spending of the deficit. Bob, default more or less likely than it was a week ago . I never thought that default was likely. I think its possible, but i dont think its likely. What i think is interesting is the way this thing is being played out. And its going further from a lot of republicans ever wanted to. The real issue, the republicans havent had any cards to play. Obama care has been passed by both houses of congress, signed bee the president and upheld by the supreme court. So negotiate over what . Jack lew defended the administration on all the Major Networks this morning. This is a bit of what he said. Take a listen. The failure of congress to act would for the first time put us in a place where were defaulting on our obligations as a go. It is irresponsible and reckless to take that chance. There are no good choices if we run out of borrowing capacity. The First Time Since 1979, the United States would not be paying its bills. Your take is a bit unique. Is he crying wolf there or not so much . What happens to the economy if there is no agreement by october 17th . The reality is we dont know that hes crying wolf because none of us know what would happen on october 18th if we dont know what were supposed to do before then. Do i think that the ratcheting of the rhetoric of doom, the debtapocalypse that it allows each camp to dig in saying the stakes will be huge. So you are creating a crisis about 11 days from now. And i dont think anything will happen frankly only late the week after columbus day because you have two camps saying we wont move, we dont need to move and the stakes are so high that were not going to negotiate about them. I dont know that thats going to happen. But i do know that it certainly suits the political purposes toto toen think that it will. This is senator cruz on cnn this morning. He talked about once again trying to tie defunding obama care to the debt ceiling negotiations. Take a listen. We should look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. Since 1978, weve raised the debt ceiling 55 times. A majority of those times, 28 times, congress has attached very specific and stringent requirements so the president s demand jack up the nations credit card with no limits, no constraints, its not a reasonable demand. Possible, bob, is that a reasonable case for negotiation on the debt limit . No. You could have an argue or discussion over any number of issues. The assumption is that. There is something one side or the other could give on and some sxro hiz could be reached. The republicans are the ones who have determined that obama care is the issue at hand. I cannot imagine what are the democrats going to negotiate on obama care . To what extent will they pull back on this program thats already under way . And arguably to what extent should they have thoo puhave to. Youre not going to delay the implementation because its been implemented. They will reopen negotiations. A whole series of things could now be open for negotiation. There is a fairness to saying the debt ceiling has been an occasion for having those debates. But there are still two issues. One is the issue of the shut down oifgt governmeoig of the government which is under way already. And the other is whether or not to raise debt limit. There should not be a fight over the shutdown of the government. A clean resolution should pass and if you want to have discussions about the debt ceiling, thats a different matter. Julia, what did the president say to you about the tea party specifically, about the handful of folks, minority much the minority of the house, this group of people that is holding the government hostage to a certain september . He said it is a reflection of democracy, some real concerns that the American People have. That being said, he thinks that just because you have frustration doesnt mean you come to washington and try to shut everything down. It means you come to washington and you try to work through problems and you try to find solutions, not just say, were not going to do anything unless we get 100 of what we want. He did have some interesting comments about some of the fresh men republican senators you can ted crews oig moenk them, trying to draw comparison to his brief tenure in the senate. He said, look, i wasnt out there courting the media, i wasnt out there trying to shut down the government. And these guys maybe position that they can say the most controversial things, take the most controversial positions and it helps them raise money, but is not necessarily good for running the country. Stick around, guys. We are also on this sunday afternoon getting more for which about two top secret raids against terrorist targets in africa carried out by u. S. Military forces saturday. Troops went to shore from tripoli and a senior al qaeda operative was captured. He was believed to have been behind the 1998 attacks on u. S. Embassies in tan sa knee i ca t. And kenya. John kerry. We hope this makes clear that the United States of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conducts agents of terror and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run but they cant hide. We will continue to try to bring people to justice in an appropriate way with hopes that ultimately these kinds of activities against everybody in the world will stop. David rude is with us. How pornd was his capture . It easeems like he was tryin to set up a new al qaeda base. He had a 5 million bounty on his head and this is what the u. S. Feared, that theyre moving in to north africa where there are these weak governments and setting up new al qaeda bases. And something rare for our military and special force, he was captured alive. Yes. How useful is that going to be . It could be very useful in terms of depending on how active he is with al qaeda and these new groups of al qaeda that are emerging possibly in libya and across north africa. This was a delta force raid. Three vehicles moved up to his vehicle as he was parking and returning to his home after morning prayers. They smashed the windows of his vehicle, grabbed the gun and just smashed him away. Very risky frankly. Like something out of a pof. Yes, and it working. So somalia not worked. The group believed to be responsible for the deadly attack at that mall in nairobi. What happened in that raid . That was navy s. E. A. L. S. They swam ashore, they were going at one house where there was suspect, possibly a leader attacked in the kenya attacked. They encountered more resistance than expected. A firefight for 15 or 20 minutes and they swarm away. P hours said about an hour. Helicopters were called in to support them, but they have admitted they did that get their arrest get. Can we expect any repercussions from either of those missions . The real concern is more in libya. There have been statements by libyan moderates saying they assume the raid, they dont want terrorists in their country. But the government there is very weak and theyre afraid that al qaeda will retaliate against the Libyan Government or there will be retaliation against u. S. Embassy in tripoli. What does this lead fuss this global war on terror . Youll see more special forces raids. He must have been a big fish to try to capture him alive. So there was something more important about him. But well see more and more of these raids, more drone strike and more attacks as well. Always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much for coming in. Up next, following through the cracks of obama care. Even with the new law, millions still do not have access to insurance. More than half of these people are poor, they are black, they are single mothers. 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The effort to extend Health Care Care to millions of americans is currently under way. But it leaves out scores of people that the program was designed to help. 26 states have rejected Medicaid Expansion. That means twothirds of africanamericans and single mothers who currently do not have insurance will remain without insurance. One state hit especially hard, mississippi. Which has the largest percentage of poor and uninsured people in this country. In that state, more than 90,000 African Americans are being denied coverage. Dr. Shirley heads up the Jackson Medical Mall foundation which provides health care for the underserved. Doctor, the New York Times talked to a 53yearold unemployed mississippi man named we Willie Charles carter. He makes less than 3,000 a year but does not qualify for medicaid in mississippi because he has no dependent children. He told the times, youve got to be almost dead before you can get medicaid in mississippi. Dr. Sher irley, how is that possible . Mississippi has a very restrictive bare bones medicaid program. And the only way currently without the expansion and withouted adoption of the polics in the health care reform, then therefore the only way you can be on medicaid in mississippi is, first of all, you have to be poor. And then if you are a male and you are anywhere between 19 and 64 it doesnt matter your income or Health Condition unless youre totally disabled, you cannot qualify for medicaid. For instance, if you are 19 and under and your family is poor, then the children in that family under age 19 are eligible for medicare. But if a female is in that family age 19 or older, if that female, only way that fee maim who is over 19 is eligible is that they become pregnant and theyre eligible through the pregnancy and the subsequent children are eligible for medicaid. But once that yes. I want to take a moment quickly to look the at specifically the racial component to this because the newspapers here are absolutely staggering. Black women today in mississippi earn less than the average american in 1960. Black men today in mississippi have a shorter Life Expectancy than the average american had more than 50 years ago. How does this lack of Medicaid Expansion hit the black community compared to the White Community in mississippi . Well, im glad you brought that up. Medicaid expansion as proposed would allow for an additional close to 300,000 adults to be covered for medicaid. About a little more than a third of those kids would be white. And im glad you raised the issue of race because the politicians in mississippi have historically used race to convince low income whites to vote and take positions against their own interests. For instance the proposed Medicaid Expansion, i think the news media does a does his service because once you paint Medicaid Expansion black, it their fears. But the politicians can prey on it and play on it as if it is a benefit only for blacks at the expense of whites. And historically during my lifetime, the politics of race in mississippi carries the day. So if we could just getting across the fact that the New York Times article has pictures of brown people being adversely affected by the nonexpansion, but there are white people who are also affected negatively by the nonexpansion. And if we could just get the message across that this is not solely a benefit for blacks, but it also is a benefit for whites who are voting and taking positions against their owe interests because they position that blacks benefit at their expense. Dr. Shirley, thank you so much for your time on this sunday afternoon. I do appreciate your insight. Youre welcome. A secret plea. 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