he's kind of caught in this position. and if he does plead the fifth, as we were saying, a negative inference can be drawn by the jury, which means the jury can look at that in the civil case and say, oh, that's a sign that he's guilty. in the criminal case they could not do that, but on the civil side they could. so he's left with not very many choices. we'll see what he ends up choosing. >> the statements, that only the mob pleads the fifth, politically speaking or pr speaking, for the public, that's one thing. but can that be presented to the jury as statements he made in the past? is that in the record, or is that separate entirely for this? >> there's always this situation with the former president where he's waging two battles, one in the courtroom, and one for the public. no, it's not relevant from a legal perspective, but it's certainly relevant from a public relations perspective.