the segment, a similar scene among the nfl players. is this a trend? what's happening here? >> well, i think the overall trend of fraud is actually out there. i mean, we've spent a lot of time focusing on the ppp program, some of the stuff tied to the coronavirus relief. the massive amounts of fraud there, which is in the billions upon billions of dollars. it's just easier these days, given the enormity of a lot of programs, given the enormity of the paper process, particularly when we get into the health care system. it's just ripe for fraud. when you have a system like this, and the u.s. attorney did not say how they came upon this scheme, but it does appear at least in several instances where the nba got a whiff that something was up here, particularly when a number of players submitted fake invoices according to the allegations for the same teeth, for the same procedure, on the same day. so it would be as if garrett, ali, myself, and you all