>> what were the secrets to speaker pelosi being able to be as effective as she was? >> i mean, there's some fundamentals to the game. she's mastered the fundamentals. one of the major ones is really knowing your caucus. how to strike a deal. knowing when to take a deal and when to walk away from a deal. part of the problem with johnson is he let this whole debate drag on too long, to the point at which our allies have suffered. american stature in the world has taken a hit. he had no other choice at this point. when you find yourself in that type of a position, you find yourself giving away more than what you want to. that's probably what he is going to have to do with jeffries. i think speaker pelosi was so effective. she knew how to get a deal.

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