informing the public. storytelling. tell me more about her personal connection and why you got involved in this work. >> growing up in springfield, ohio i had many family members that interacted with the criminal justice system. some of them in prison and some in jail. my mother spent time in jail. when we talk about pretrial freedom and reforming the way we think about punishment and our legal system. it really does hit home. >> you have been working on this for years now. you are not new to this issue. why is this such a disconnect about this issue? >> the reason we care so much is because our jails and of housing so many people, and they are not set up to make people's lives better. what ends up happening is people who are innocent until proven guilty. in our system everybody knows that if you watch law and order or the life