>> hi. my name is denise duffield. it's okay, thank you. i am the mom who started the chains dot or petition that now has over 6000 signatures for the folding of the santa susana field lab. you're going to hear a lot today. we've got a lot of facts. we know the facts. we are all intelligent people here. but i think what is lacking is courage to do the right thing. and so, i wanted to bring you my daughter, my daughter is a two-time cancer survivor at nine years old. >> can you do it? would you like to go to disneyland today? >> okay, let's go to disneyland! >> oh, yeah! >> are you coming? >> i'm coming too. >> she earned all these beads during her cancer treatment program. each bead represents something different. for example, red represents when she had a blood transfusion black when she got booked with a needle, yellow for inpatient state, white for chemotherapy. this is what you earned the first month. i'd like to share with you what she's earned over the last two times fighting cancer. a few of the photos, i just wanna fly through real quick. to some of them that we've met, who are local, they camped with us last weekend. he's about to lose a second i. his little boy has leukemia. he's doing all right. we've had several who passed away. we need you to step in and protect us, and protect our children, do the right thing, thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hi. [inaudible] sorry, i know you're not feeling well right now. is it okay? >> when grace turned four years old, we found it was all over her body. i took her to the pediatrician, and quickly found out that she had an incredibly rare and aggressive form of childhood leukemia. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> she had a 20% survival rate. she really endured a lot of suffering that first year. and then, she had a year and a half of just, wonderful cancer free childhood. [applause] [noise] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and then, her cancer relapsed and it came back. >> it was april 2013, and my daughter hazel was two years old. and i was noticing that she was not quite herself. i kept calling the doctors, and everybody was going, it's probably just a flu. and i turned to my husband, and i said my mommy instincts are telling me that something is really wrong. he said, i think she has cancer. they performed some blood work tests, and then, an ultrasound. after several days of tests, we knew it was neural. >> all right, hazel, are you ready to play simon says? simon says touch you nose. simon says touch your head. simon says touch your mouth. simon says touch your ears. simon says blow a case. simon says say i love you. >> i love you. >> simon says sing twinkle twinkle. >> twinkle twinkle little star -- ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hazel! 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it was probably about 11:00. it was the graveyard shift. went in the building. i pulled up into the control room, and looking through the door, i had seen my crew was already there. then i looked even closer and i was seeing doctor marvin j fox, and he had two others with him, i wasn't sure who they were. there is something that is just not right. so i got brave. i opened up the door real quiet. then as i stood there, i heard the words coming out of dr. fox's mouth. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i heard my supervisor asked, can we tell our families would have been today? the three looked at each other for a minute. doctor fox, he turned around real quick and stared me in the eyes. almost nose to nose. nobody will say a word. from that point on, there was a cover-up of what happened. >> it was the first step in a nuclear nightmare. the government officials said that a breakdown of an atomic power plant in pennsylvania today is probably the worst nuclear reactor accident to date. >> i was teaching at ucla in 1979. there was an accident at a nuclear power plant in pennsylvania called three mile island. my students wanted to research whether there were nuclear activities in the los angeles area. i said sure, go ahead. i didn't think they find anything. within a period of a few weeks, they discovered that there had been a partial meltdown at the reactor that we know called the santa susana field lab. they obtained documents and photos and also film footage. off the inside of the melted core. >> 13 of the 43 uranium fuel elements eventually became overheated. the fuel swelled and size and structural damage was sustained. >> a partial meltdown occurred in the reactor that had no containment structure. the activity was so high that they had to open this huge garage typed or to try to vent the radioactivity out. one scholar had estimated that the radio active iodine from the meltdown could have been 250 tons greater than the amount released -- tmi was a larger reactor. this was a smaller reactor, but had nothing to prevent the reactor from getting out. >> radiation is clear off the scale. wherever the wind is blowing, whatever direction, that's where the radiation travels, of course. it's like smoke with fire. i was working there. i was so disturbed about it. radiation went all over the homes. >> five weeks after the accident occurred, they issued a news release for saturday morning in the papers. the press release did not say there had been a partial meltdown. they did not say there was a serious accident. they did not sit was any radiation. they said the opposite, that at the very moment they issued that press release you were venting radioactive gases into the environment. >> the official news release claimed there was no indication of unsafe reactor conditions. >> they lied. and i could not say the word. 20 years of silence. people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool 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experiment, or sre. but in 1959 when it saw its fuel rods melting the general public was not informed. local public safety officials weren't told much either. >> today is the first time that i've heard of the 59 incidents you mentioned. >> the experts tell us that certain risks were taken. >> i was really appalled and the sort of the cavalier attitude that they demonstrated. >> it's actually very undramatic. it did not appear to be a hazard to the public oratory employees. >> i feel less concerned about it than i would do the long term effect over los angeles. the >> potential of hazard, of major release in the environment was not there. >> and it's taken until this week, 20 years later, for the details to be widely broadcast. >> we all have the idea, all of us who were involved in this project, that it had been a cover-up. we learned that we had to approach this in a very, very careful way, because we knew that we were looking at a very powerful industry that had not been challenged in the way that we were prepared to challenge it, ever before. it was a scary proposition to take on a nuclear industry. it's a very scary proposition. >> so the accident at was santa susana serious. and if there was room for debate on how well it was handled. >> we heard something that was really important, particularly in the context of what was going on at three mile island. i think what it reveals is that this great guarantee of the ultimate safety of the industry was a phony. it was fake. it was wrong. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it was probably one of the worst nuclear accidents in history to that point. no one knew, until my students uncovered the documents two decades later. >> the material that we got mostly came from breach the cap, which is an anti nuclear group. >> what happened at santa susana would not happen at a well run facility. this was a case of tremendous environmental negligence. they cut corners over and over and over again. the risk continued for many decades. >> the nuclear work was over for decades. the other aerospace or didn't really sit until 2006. so, over the course of decades, and the course of accidents, releases, unintentional. the soil and the groundwater and the surface water runoff has become very contaminated. >> produced by iodine, a division of -- in the canyons of southern california, the engine sometimes called a rocket, sometimes called a power plant, sometimes the booster is bond. >> and we all lived in knowing that there were rocket tests we used to have a big booms, and we would see, like, mushroom clouds above the facility. >> i would play outside with my friends until it got dark. i'd be in the cul-de-sac, and then -- we could hear those auroras. >> in california's santa susana mountains, rocketdyne engineers have graded america's largest propulsion field laboratory. >> the hole was a valley with a shutter -- >> just go -- [inaudible] [noise] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tens of thousands of rockets passed and those huge blooms of contamination that were being spread at a substantial distance. >> on the ashes of campfires built here, and gyms brought forward the pillars of faith. >> those engine tests, a lot of the chemical contamination onsite as a result of that. >> they ended up flushing out rocket test engines with a very toxic solvent, called d.c.. hundreds of thousands of gallons, leaving half 1 million dollars of tcb in the ground order. >> it was a hot lap there where they would be processed, spent nuclear fuel that was shipped in from around the country. they had fires. >> they also had an open burn pit. there they would take each month, 100 or so, 55 gallon drums filled with toxic chemicals. and they would shoot at them with rifles ignite them and they will catch fire. they emit huge plumes of toxic smoke. workers were killed because they were the legally disposing of hazardous material and blowing them up on the property. ten nuclear reactors, three of which suffered accidents, these activities went on for decades. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> during that period, population just mushroomed around the field laboratory. >> anyone who has a fear of anything like that, they should be told, get a chance to say no, i don't want to live there. it >> did not appear to be a hazard to the public or trump lawyers. potential hazard of major released to the environment was just not there. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the santa susana field lab hill is contaminated with a who's who of toxic chemicals from heavy metals to dioxins to volatile organic acids, and multiple radioactive nuclear ads which come from the nuclear partial meltdown, and also, numerous axioms over the years with the other reactors onsite. when it comes to a new clients, who actually describe not the half-life, which is the time after which it would be have a spotted as it was, as a degrades, we describe something called its hazardous life, which is actually 20 half-lives. so these are the most dangerous, which we have well studied, and well in high awareness of their health impacts that go on for these hundreds, if not half 1 million years. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right now half 1 million people live within ten miles of the site. >> i asked over and over again, where is it safe? where would it be dangerous? after studying this for almost 40 years, i'm afraid i can't answer that. people need to understand that the bus santa susana field lab is on a mountain. they can carry that contamination downhill. there is not a glass wall surrounding santa susana that prevent contaminants from being blown offside by the win. the wind will carry the contaminants. there is not some kind of dame built around at the site that will erase the rainfall won't carry the contaminants. so, when it rains, the surface water carries the radioactivity down in the mid of streams. it's the headwaters of the los angeles river, so, in terms of l.a. county, you contaminate everything along the l.a. river and the various streams that lead to what. there is a children's camp called the brandeis-bardin institute. it's 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control, and i decided to look into how is it really regulating toxics. and we did get a very revealing material, that showed us that though dtse is what i called haphazard agency. it's captured by the polluters that's actually supposed to be regulating. but >> insiders at the state department of toxic substance controlled told us that they were often too lenient with polluters who didn't cleanup contamination. >> boeing maintains that there have been no adverse health impacts from contamination at santa susana. the dtse has admitted that contamination has gotten off the site, and they'll say it's not getting off-site in levels that are harmful to human health. and that is not true. >> polluters are very adept at flattering regulators, not grooming them, taking them by the hand when they didn't know that much, kind of showed him the direction of what they wanted things to look like. >> i also, as you know, represent many private companies, we have also found this to be balanced, and to be thorough, and to be just as open as she claims to be. >> is santa susana kind of a textbook civics lesson in the way government works. people work in government on an issue, in this case, santa susana, and then, they leave government, and they can make a lot more money becoming lobbyists for the company involved in the issue in this case, boeing. >> the flotilla of fixers that war hired by boeing, many of them had direct connections to jerry brown, or had worked for him. >> it's been like a game of musical chairs. a former environmental aide to governor brown, a former head of the state epa, and the former chief lawyer of the d tsv, have all switched sides and worked on behalf of boeing to kill a full cleanup of santa susana. >> the santa susana field lab is a really complex cleanup. it costs a lot of money. and anytime it costs a lot of money, there's going to be politics at play. that leads to delay. >> in 2007, there was an order signed between the dtse and the responsible parties, that basically did not establish much of the cleanup standards. it was very weak. and it was exactly what boeing wanted. >> a recreational cleanup, which is what boeing is pushing, is based off of people being on the site of aryan frequently. that would result in 98% of contamination not being cleaned up. people who live in near santa susana do not live in recreational areas. they live in residential areas. >> all through the 2000s, there was an effort to require full cleanup. then, state senator sheila, who represented the area, introduced a bill after bill. >> workers, the neighbors, have become sick, and too many have died. it's time to require full and complete cleanup. i ask for your high vote on s b 9.90. >> in 2007, she finally got her legislation through. >> i believe it or not, under arnold schwarzenegger, there was an actual serious effort to clean up that site. but after the governor came to office, things shifted very dramatically. >> boeing however went to court over turning the law, and so exceedingly troubling action by the administration that the lawsuit was lost. within five weeks of jerry brown being sworn in in 2011, the secret stipulation was interlinked between the state and boeing in that lawsuit. >> the state of california actually stipulated that they would not contest any material fact that boeing would put forward in the suit. and they actually agreed to that stipulation that's my understanding, before ever having seen the material facts that boeing is going to put forward forward. the judge found it very easy to overturn the law. >> the state waved the right to dispute anything that boeing might say, without knowing what those things would be. >> it was a major blow, and it was exactly what boeing wanted. and they got it. >> there's also people who think your agency is too cozy with boeing. >> i haven't seen it, i need to look for it. >> nasa and the department of energy also signed 2010 agreements with the state of california. and these were actually really historic agreements. and what they do is they say, that santa susana field lab has to be cleaned up to background levels. and essentially, what that means, if there is contamination on site, it gets cleaned up. >> from your vantage point, what is the status of nasa's actions, with respect to the cleanup? >> congresswoman, all the information related to, is my understanding as well where we are. and nasa is committed to fulfill our obligations under the ac. >> i'm trying to fight. let's clean up the background. let's get this site closed. these things happen, yes, they were unfortunate, and we've made a commitment to clean up. >> the cleanup was supposed to already have been concluded by 2017. and boeing and the federal agencies have ensured it hasn't even started. and i am certain that these federal agencies do not want to set a precedent, in terms of really clinging up to a proper standard. and what happens when you cut your corners on safety is you kill people. and that's exactly what boeing did with a. that is their style. >> the department of energy, nasa, and boeing have made repeated promises to clean up. as has the state toxics agency that have seized them. and those promises have been broken over and over again. >> would anyone from your agency talk to us at all? >> many people have talked to you. >> we've made a commitment to clean it up. >> i said all i'm gonna say. >> it's the right thing to do. >> you've said nothing? >> and that means that there have been years and years of additional migration possible that wouldn't have been possible, if they had lived up to their commitments. >> it's my commitment to the people of california that when i am gone, i have left in place a system that is robust, defensible, and meaningful for the future. >> can you see how some people would think this is more lip service? >> i would hope they wouldn't. ♪ ♪ ♪ my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some 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cancer affecting young children. it's just under 300 diagnosed in the united states, and there are 11 cases right near the site. we are very, very strong evidence that the first group of mothers, whose children suffer from neuroblastoma did sue boeing, and it settle. and as part of that settlement, will we're no longer allowed to talk to the media, or get involved. if you have a child with cancer, it's very expensive. i know one mother in particular, have i talked to recently, said the family is bankrupt caring for their daughter. so i can understand, if i was one of those mothers, why they might have went with that agreement. and now, several years later, we are seeing new cases of pediatric cancers that are near the site. >> [inaudible] >> the report which came out in 2006, that landmark study ended up showing that there is no linear threshold that any level, any level of radio nuke like exposure of that background had an inherent increased risk of cancel cancer. there is a dramatic increase in very rare and bizarre cancers that typically may happen a few times across the nation. and what we have been noting over the years, we have children, not one, not two, nor three, nor for children within the communities surrounding the test lab have these unusual cancers. >> voting itself did risk assessments of what the risk would be if someone were to live on the property. and in their own estimate there, for some of the locations, it was that the cancer risk was as high as 96 out of 100, meaning if 100 people live their, 96 would be canceled from contamination. >> they normally required the risk be kept at one in 1 million, so you can see how serious the contamination is, and how large the problem would be if they left behind. >> we found documents that show the radiation has moved off site, including at the brandeis-bardin institute. >> my name is li bai cell. and i was the president of the brandeis collegiate institute from the spring of 2000 to 2003. prior to accepting the job, i asked the chair of the board if there was anything that i needed to be worried about. she said, it's all good. we have had a settlement. and everything on that land has been cleaned up. and there's nothing to worry about. >> i think one of the most surprising documents we unearthed was an internal report commission by the camp, like proved there was a lot of contamination from santa suzannah, but ran down to children's camp, and it was the basis for the camp suing the owners of the field lab, and then, secretly settling that lawsuit. >> when i hear about a settlement, what comes to mind is that there's a reliability here. we don't often want to hear those sides of things. we don't often want to hear that there's something wrong. they have not been transparent and exactly what's going up up there, even now. >> how can one person be noticed with thyroid cancer at age four, with two recurrences. and then, end up with an extremely rare uterine cancer with no family history of 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second, i thought if i say something, she will say what do you know you are not trained. how dare you. embarrass you for bringing this up and rocking the boat. and as she is going, i didn't do anything. because i ended up being more afraid of what she would say, than protecting my daughter and thank god nothing happened, but i swore that moment, i would never, ever let my children be put in danger, because i was too scared to speak up. and i think that was the day that i decided, i am going to make a difference. >> melissa bumstead. >> i hope i'm not talking too fast, but i am pretty nervous. >> this is a alarming, we are concerned. they cancer moms in my community, these children are on my street that had it. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> >> a group of seven mothers and, i not really understanding what we were doing, came to our first department of toxins control substance meeting, to find out what is wrong, are we in danger, and that was the first day i realized that we are in danger. due to the change. org partition, we started to gain traction and people started to care and i realize that we were not alone in this fight. >> i'm a public school teacher and a mother, and i am not irrational. >> we are here because of numerous failures of regulators to protect the public. >> they should not be happening. , i got up, there was shaking my hand, how dare you do this to my community. you lied to us, try to confuse us. >> because it is cheaper for boeing to pay the relatively measly fees that your poor imposes and clean up the mess. you regulate boeing, not the other way around. >> we are a force to be reckoned with. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i really, changed really healed. and i'm willing to have confrontation. not for confrontation's sake, but to protect the people i care about. i still wanted to throw up afterwards. >> she has always been fierce. her motivation to never stop just keeps getting stronger and stronger. >> melissa bumstead is a hero. >> she is the face of this cleanup. people like melissa will change the tide of this fight and i know that she is changed already. >> there was nothing like a mom wanting to -- protect her children. there is no force on earth that's more powerful. >> my daughter went through excruciating pain. she buried three of her friends last year. and we are praying to god that we finally get the cleanup, because sometimes i cannot sleep at night worrying that my children are in danger. and i know that i am not the only one. >> or pity me bill do not remember is that we are fitting a lifetime into a year or two, or three, or five. and that is true, it's true for all of us. >> one of the things i wish we could have done, because she was in the process of getting a second wish granted. her wished was to go to klein feld's in new york and try on wedding dresses, because your favorite show was say yes to the dress. we would watch in the hospital all the time. and we got approved, we were planning it in january of last year. and we were going to try to go in april. but she did not get to. and sometimes it's really hard, because i go oh gosh, she never got to try on a wedding dress. she will never get to walk down the aisle. and like you said, we are trying to fit in a lifetime in just a small number of years. and that is so powerful. >> the day that she passed away, my husband and i, we were not ready to go home. we left her at the hospital, that was the hardest thing we had ever had to do, was to leave there without her. it was so hard to trust in anything, because all you feel is that tangible loss. >> stay strong. >> i try to get to protest the other day, but my body would not let me. >> melissa and i tell each other all the time, just do what you can, that is okay, do not feel bad. but it was hard, because i continue to feel guilty, because i was like, this fight does not stop just because i do. but watching what melissa has done over this last year, it has just been remarkable. being a mom is hard enough. being a mom of a child who had cancer makes it harder. and being a mom who is trying to protect all the kids in her community from some insidious, exposure, the level of responsibility that you end up taking on and feeling is daunting and draining and overwhelming. i have seen the toll that it has taken on her because it is frustrating when people do not listen. but she still gets up and she still fights. and she is still pushing so hard. because she has watched her friends bury their children. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> melissa is the key to the cleanup. melissa is now the community in this effort and her voice is critical and the leadership that she is shown in organizing her community is critical. and that will make or break everything. >> anything else that is worth putting a flag on? >> i was thinking something like this might be good to put out to the community. might try to figure out how to message it, to target. we don't really know with the next target is and then randomly. >> i admire melissa more than i can begin to 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>> the potential of hazard, major released into the environment was just not there. >> significant about the woolsey fire is that it started on the property of the santa susana field laboratory. it's very distressing, when you know how terribly polluted it is, to then turn on the television and see it in flames. after the fire, you know, 80% of the site burnt. we have learned since then that nasa took down tanks and piping, and removed a fire station. the tide they've been in place, could have put that fire out, regardless of what happens to the site, it's always going to be in a fire risk area, so why one would remove water tanks and piping? i don't know. >> not getting far systems up to date is, to me, that's a cardinal sin. i have worked in nuclear radiation, radiological cleanup. those sites have multiple fire crews, multiple trucks, tons of equipment, because it's a legitimate concern. there is no secrets surrounding the state of california and the fire is the tap in here. >> and after the dtse released an interim report, they released a report that shows them doing in a monitoring after the fire, silly. the greatest risk is during the fire. they have now admitted that the burnt vegetation made the contaminants in the soil more mobile, and that's part of the reason why we have these 57 exceedances in stormwater going off after the fire. but bottom line is, if it had been cleaned up as it should have been, by 2017, we wouldn't be having these this conversation. >> the vegetation on-site is contaminated, and as the vegetation burns, they aerosolized high up into the atmosphere, and then it was able to spread across the basin. our concern, for the fire, was that the contaminants are probably spreading mainly the toxic angles, which come from the burning of fuels, and other rocket engine firing. the dangerous levels of exposure to chemical contaminants, somewhat follow a similar pattern to the radio new clients. every level increases the risk >>. >> it's like chernobyl. the burning of these things, you have ash, and small pieces of what would be considered nothing falling on people, and killed hundreds of people. the people on those bridges, the people in those cities, did not realize there was a massive level of misinformation given. you know, boeing has come out and said, yeah, absolutely, you know, all these exceedances came from the fire. i mean, they can't deny that. what they're trying to deny is the impact that it could have. there are people close enough to that site that absolutely suffered the effects of it. and they will. >> my name is mike distance from. i'm a member of the expert panel, so i'd like to say that we've been involved in this, the panel has, since almost the inception of the fire. we are independent panel. we are funded by boeing, and we've been using tech to assist us. what you see, there is a trend of decreasing exceedances, as we move forward in time. >> over the course of the season, concentrations are returning to free fire levels. >> what we have here is a lot of, it exceeds the area we don't see a lot of legacy contamination. >> so the systems are already recovering, and we are happy about that. >> my name is denise duffield, i'm associated director for social responsibility of los angeles. i feel like, i am living an alternate universe, though, after this very overwhelming presentation. it's 57 exceedances in violation, it's astonishing. the expert panel is made by boeing. and that begs a lot of credulity on their independence. >> it's an open wound in our community that threatens our public health every time it rains, where the wind blows, or the fires burn. i live in simi valley. i am a golden state water customer. i've got groundwater from below assembling pumped into my home at every bat, with every meal. it's your job to protect my water source. you regulate boeing, not the other way around. >> thank you. >> i'm a little disappointed today. i had actually assumed that it would be an independent panel, expert panel speaking today. i didn't know anything about politics until the last five years. and i have learned that you always have to follow the money, that's the basic understanding of how america works these days, unfortunately. it's very disappointing, i'm sure the conflict is better -- it's not an independent panel. and the people of los angeles deserve better on such a critically important issue. we've got a lot of facts. we know the facts. we are all intelligent people here. but i think what is lacking is courage to do the right thing. and so, i wanted to bring you my daughters beads of courage. my daughter is a two-time cancer survivor at nine years old. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i heard a lot of good news about phenomenal exceedances, but you need to understand that these exceedances affect us. we've come to find out that our area is above the national average for childhood cancers. we've had several who passed away and this is the cost of exceedances. and i really ask you to have the courage to do the right thing. thank you. >> thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> this was part of what was so amazing about this story, to me. i grew up near the field lab, thousands of people have lived near the field lab. and most people have never heard of it. the santa susana issue was almost dead, and that fire jump-started a whole new round of attention. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> millions are learning about the toxic threat from the contaminated santa susana field lab, all because of tweets from the kardashians. >> the woolsey fire, it blew up. >> without a doubt, there is new life. >> people need attention. >> people are listening. >> the communities have radically changed. kim kardashian tweeted, and all of a sudden, get 100,000 shares! >> kim kardashian telling her 58 million twitter followers she shocked, furious to learn that woolsey fire started at santa susana, and is potentially radioactive. >> the reporting we did throughout, got some attention, but of course, the kardashians can bring the issue way more attention. >> people are believing this. you know, this is the real thing. we're not just playing games anymore. >> on the other side of the sign, okay? >> these are all my other children here. >> and second of changes happening that i'm hopeful it could be ripped out from underneath us at any moment. >> i know what it's like to lose a child with cancer. and nobody should ever have to face that again. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it's gone so fast that i'm still out of breath. we're trying to put together a coalition with all of our elected officials. people need to start passing the ball, take leadership. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> they are counting on us. they are counting on us not to be able to see the big picture, and really hope we're not sitting here in ten years, with a follow-up of why the damn thing didn't happen. >> we never know what domino we are setting into effect, when we just do what we can. >> mister secretary, you're supposed to be completed by 2017. you haven't started by 2019. when 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the cleanup plan had been made and broken, it's always a concern that this is going to another administration. >> they signed a legally binding document in 2010, while we thought we had one of the victory. >> additionally, studies performed after signing the aoc identified less contamination than previously projected. >> i had no idea it was all gonna get thrown apart. >> i am a two-time cancer survivor. it has turned my life upside down, and i never feel safe. i want to feel safe. >> this way. >> we are here at the nasa meeting right now, where we're trying to justify why they should be able to leave contaminated waste in our community. >> i want to show you one of these justifications that i can't believe, and i've seen a lot of, just amazing. >> oh my god, they find no discernible differences to health and safety across the action alternatives. that's absurd! >> nasa claims that under federal environmental law, that they have to look at different alternative ways to clean up the scent that suzanne field lamp. they are wrong. california has been clear over the years, that the level that the site has to be cleaned up to is the background. so there is contamination, gets cleaned up. >> we signed an agreement for full cleanup, and they have proposed these two meetings to break those, and walk away from the contamination. >> they thought contamination on the surface, we're gonna have to dig 20 feet down the bedrock. and that's gonna landscape the property. you don't have to dig 20 feet down to see the contamination that's on the surface. they're doing that to try to scare people and all that stuff. >> not a department of energy, what they've been doing in the last few years is looking at different levels of cleanup, rather than different ways of reaching the standards that california has set. >> they're saying, oh, we found more contamination that would result in even more damage. so, we want to do that recreational cleanup. >> recreational measures are, it's just, it's an absolute joke. that's almost doing nothing. >> it is not okay to just clean it up a little bit. it's kind of like, you can't be just a little bit pregnant. either you are radioactive or not. >> nasa says it will take 25 years to remove the soil and it needs to be removed, in order to comply with the administrative order on consent. >> and reaching out to larger contractors in the industry, all these guys agreed to the same level that they are likely inflating numbers to get an approval to not go that far. >> for the department of energy and an asset to be successful, in walking away from the santa susana field lab, all that has to happen was that nobody stands in their way. >> in order to make our influence public opinion, we need to have individuals -- >> when you go to a public space, and everyone says it's a setup -- >> this is what we do. and during private conferences, we give an opportunity, a platform. if they have a powerpoint, they can show that. >> in public hearings, when they were done the way they used to do them, we would stand in front of the microphone, and people before the responsible party, before their community members speak for two minutes, and give their input on a proposal before them. nasa just destroyed all of that. >> this whole thing was set up intentionally to prevent people from making informed public comments. no presentation, only posters with an abscess propaganda spent. the community needs to hear the truth, we're gonna do it as part of our public comment. >> right, the public is being explained -- >> this is -- they're not gonna show people. >> this is gonna take away from -- >> its a public hearing! >> nasa is preventing public comments on their i.s. that breaks their cleanup commitments. if people want to be able to show you how they're violating the law, nasa is physically blocking you from seeing it. >> this is why right now, you guys, this is crazy. they sit this up in this kind of a situation where we don't have a microphone like we normally do. and as the l.a. times reporter has, a little table in the corner it's not marked, trying to limit public participation, prevent the media from knowing how much we like the proposal, and preventing officials from knowing that too. there is a protocol for how the public hearings are handled, and that's not it. >> the only, the only option we have right now is to try to reach our comments, and just that's just absurd. >> contamination not cleaned up -- this is illegal, and a direct threat to public health, and the environment. nasa is preparing the supplemental -- >> they are trying to evict me before i can make my public comment. >> we should be able to get three minutes, then you can do what you want. >> my eye ask on what basis again? >> trespassing. the hotel once you out of here. >> trespassing? this is a public hearing, sir! [noise] >> free speech! free speech! free speech! >> you willingly left. no you ordered me to leave, sir. >> i did say you have to leave because -- >> yes, you ordered me to leave. >> they wanted you gone. >> i am in a government public hearing. there is a lot at stake here. that site is dangerous. this is a legal process that i can be in, and i can make my comments, so, i know -- >> the 15 years of this kind of work i've never experienced such a thing. nasa knows what it's proposing to do is indefensible. and they took every measure that they could to prevent the public from hearing about it. >> for the responsible parties, this is a game. nasa and boeing continued to put forth a storyline that their recommendations, their offerings of cleanup are adequate. and we know as we have alluded to, that so many of the agents, there is absolutely no safe level. and again, if there is no safe level, and you far exceed those levels on site, and again, we know that those contaminants migrate 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listen to people from other areas, it was exact the same issues, burn pits, tests. core. because i realized that this is not an accident. nor is it a mistake. >> there are many santa suzanne 's all across this country. they remain highly contaminated. they threatened communities and have not been cleaned up. >> it is all across america. it is the same players. different units, but the same agencies, the same attitudes. >> let's face it, this community has been traumatized enough. >> if it was not for this group of moms that made this facebook page, i would have not known. >> there is an endemic problem with the whole system. you can have wonderful environmental laws, and have really powerful ones, but if they are not enforce, they're useless. and that has happened at dozens and dozens of toxic sites in the state of california. and probably is emblematic of what goes on unfortunately all across the country. >> those stories are not uncommon. where you have entire towns, entire neighborhoods that are having to similar issues. and until it's completely undeniable, nothing is done. >> oversight and investigations to now come to. order i would like to introduce the honorable and white, the assistant secretary office of environmental management department of energy. bottom chair. the government's nuclear defense program played an integral role in and in world war ii and the cold war. our nation was unified in its effort to end those wars. and that kind of resolve and unity of purpose is needed today. as we address the resulting environmental legacy. we remain committed to completing cleanups. so that our host communities can envision a vibrant future. and we can continue to live in the past, or we can can choose to understand the. pass make corrections and move forward, with collaborative solutions. it is time to choose the latter. >> i have been on this committee a long time. we have seen d. o. e. make these promises before, with regards to cleanup operations. >> what exactly does it mean that d. o. e.'s environmental management office does not follow leading management practices. >> anybody that has been on this job site should be fired. they are not doing their job. right >> where his hands hurts, it sits on the columbia river, where does the savannah side set, sits on the savannah site. these are areas that are environmentally sensitive. >> i am not a nuclear engineer, but i am a mom and a citizen and i can tell you that leaving it out there longer, waiting for some type of accident. it is not making our constituents across this country safer. >> we need to do better in programming and project management. and i think we can do better. >> i do not believe government has done enough to try and build that bridge of trust. >> my name is and white and my position was assistant secretary of energy for environmental management. referred to as iain one. obviously when you have got portions of the public all over the country that are unhappy with what you are, doing you are probably not doing enough. especially for a site like santa suzanna. a small sigh, doesn't even usually come to the radar of and edm one. it is tough. those kinds of big bureaucracies are very challenging. it kind of felt sometimes like a culture of molasses. since 2011, am has spent over 45 billion to address cleanup responsibilities. and now we see snow closer to cleaning up the site or responsibility. >> cleanup right now is the third biggest liability to the u.s. taxpayers. >> we throw seven billion dollars a year to that pot. and the liabilities do not go down. >> did the taxpayers a good value for the six billion am sent last year for nuclear waste cleanup? >> i believe the taxpayer got good value for their money. we can do better though. >> so many of these sites are in places where they are the only game in town in terms of employment. if the cleanup gets completed, the jobs go away. and so, to some degree, iain has become a jobs program. >> cleanup of these sites is incredibly important. we need to have it happen. and we cannot be sitting here again in five, ten, 20 years, hoping that it. will >> the actions needed to take involves significant cultural change at d. o. e. headquarters. and contractors. >> involves kids, moms. and all of these things. maybe they have been heard, but not listened to. >> and there is a difference i suppose. there is a big difference. >> and at santa suzanna right now, honestly, the conversation could be so poison, that there is no reversed here, in terms of building that trust. >> you just may never come to common ground. and that is a pity. but, that is maybe the nature of the beast there unfortunately. >> didn't have enough energy for ethan. didn't we did it last year. , i don't adhere to what we do at this year. >> post or something instead. , need to push down. >> thanks, it's pretty. >> it is pretty, i like how glittery it is. >>, i feel more hopeful, even though right now things are looking pretty glum again for the cleanup right now. i am more at peace, with the thought that this could be the rest of my life. >> before that thought was just too frightening. and i feel like whether or not it is the santa suzanna field, lab or maybe helping other sites, if this were to be the rest of my life, i would not fight it. >> i had my own plans for my life. i wanted to illustrate kids books and i wanted to be an author and i wanted to garden and i had a really simple life planned out. and it sounded just fantastic. and have not getting to have time to excel at any of those things, it was really hard. as i was praying about, i thought god said i was allowed to have a hot of the. was like all right, i can take my dreams and let them be a hobby. and doing this is more important than anything i had had planned. i definitely feel like this is where i am supposed to be in my life right now. it took gracie a lot of hard work and time to really kind of be a regular kid again. she is not the kind of kid to just lay down and take it, she is really strong. but the health effects will follow her the rest of her life. >> i have had some people accuse me of using grace's story to some degree. that is really true. if i could have brought peoples hearts along, without having to show gracie's story, i would have. but, if it helps others families to not have to go through the same thing. you know, then, i don't regret it. i don't think grace would regret, it i think she understands that we are willing to do anything to protect other kids from what she's gone through. seeing her name and her birthday and stuff, it's just so final. sorry. the santa suzanna field lab is, i wouldn't say it's always in the front of my, mind but it is consistently in the back of my mind. in the back of my mind when i give my kids water. or give them a bat. in the back of my mind when i see a new kid diagnosed. in the back of my mind when i see a another kid who has passed away. it is a hard one. i can't put all of my energy there. i am still working my way back to being fully present with everybody. and my kids need their mom. i have been slowly putting pieces back together. and i am not as lost. i'm still lost. but not as lost, if that makes sense. for me, i know i could never give up trying to fight, but i also know that i have to use this brain sparingly. because it is focused on so many different things right now, on trying to heal, trying to process, trying to grieve, trying to be a mom. but it is always there. it's always this lingering question in my mind. this idea that is there. and, it can't be quieted until it's cleaned up i think. >> i hope there is an end to this story. given what is happening in our country, i worry about all of our efforts to protect public health. i worry that focusing on santa suzannah, will seem like a luxury. that it will seem like the days have passed when you actually could fight a fight and you might just win and you could get a cleanup 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i thought this was the most racist thing in the world. standing here i feel these peoples hearts. >> we will little judge decide that. >> fine. >> are you still going to try to take it down? >> absolutely. it will be no stopping me at this point. we came down here because of the fishing and nice people we've meant. then my wife debbie and i got bored, this little restaurant looked like a good opportunity. it belonged to maurice's bbq shop and was need of repair. i had never deemed it as racist. it was history to me. it was cool, because it was like a rebel flag. that meant that you were against the grain. you were at that house. when i lived in maryland, i was a race car driver. out we had a rebel flag, not on the car, but we had a flagpole by the race car. especially when we'd go up north, because we were guys from down south. we were the guys to beat. i was cleaning up my closet. founded in the closet. i would wear this in public anywhere i wind without a problem. when it became what it is today, my wife had said that there was no place for that on a race team. i'm not a racist by any means, or a hater. -- was the best place for it. >> my name is buzz braxton, and i'm a lieutenant commander at camp 842. this is general robert e. lee. probably the greatest man that ever walked the face of the earth. a lot of people don't understand the sons of confederate veterans. the confederate battle flag is the soldiers like. that's why we are so proud of it. do you, it sounds -- the sons of confederate veterans, it is your duty to see that the true history of the south is presented to future generations. that's what we try to do. it's a tough job. there is a picture of maurice bessinger, we had the federal flag. >> i'm maurice bessinger, chairman of the -- enterprise incorporated. the south shall rise again. >> mr. maurice bessinger was a member of this camp. he owned and operated my barbecue restaurant -- >> after almost four decades and a bitter debate, south carolina 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[ applause ]. >> we lost for an issue that is this contentious. i would be hesitant to against the suns of the confederate veterans. côte d'ivoire >> they went to the path of least resistance. >> they got it wrong. >> a confederate flag and it's a south carolina screen parlor is a new concern. >> -- this racially charged -- >> his business has been vandalized multiple times. his employees have been harassed and in a riot nearly started outside his shop. >> keep that flag flying! this is where they're property -- and that paid their, when you stand out here for a moment, you heard them hollering takedown, or leave it alone, if you. >> my wife debbie thinks that the sons of confederate are going to burn our house down. she's up all night. it's aggravating to me. she's going through all this suffering. >> so, i guess you know in this bigger world, it's not perfect these days, is it? >> no, ma'am. that means they be tells you that jesus wet? >> he loves us. >> like, so much. >> i was in the doctor's office one day and the lady said to me, i heard you people beat up black people. that's the kind of rumors -- she had some of her grandchildren with them. i said you bring those babies to my bible study on wednesday night, and you're going to know what we are about. >> you need to have react what? >> faith. >> it's so stressful and sad, because i want to please everybody. i want to love everybody. sometimes i often wondered, god, why did you bring me to this place? why did you bring me to this town? why? >> the confederate flag -- undying devotion for the cause for which it stands. thank you. you may all be seated. for those of you who have not heard or do not know, we did have a wonderful victory at. our flights will continue to fly. i hope it will continue to fly forever. i could've waited to tell my doctor my heart was racing just making spaghetti... but i didn't wait. i could've delayed telling my doctor i was short of breath just reading a book... but i didn't wait. they told their doctors. and found out they had... atrial fibrillation. a condition which makes it about five times more likely to have a stroke. if you have one or more of these symptoms irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue or lightheadedness, contact your doctor. this is no time to wait. 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[noise] i've had conversations with people, they see the fight that we're in with the veterans in the zone. and they literally are like, wait, isn't orange bird like 16 to 70% black? why is bringing down that flag even a discussion. it should've been down. and you just have to let them know that white supremacy has its roots everywhere. orangeburg, there's no difference. >>, you know orangeburg it's home to one of the biggest massacre in terms of civil rights in south carolina. students were protesting for the integration of the local bowling alley, fearing violence, the governor said in the howard patrol. one night, the patrol broke out in gunfire, killing three students and injuring 28 others. it was 50 years ago. but that's not something that people in town had forgotten. it's kind of like the shadows of a dark era are constantly on you. and, i think some people just don't want to think about the confederacy or think about what it means or what it meant. you would have this expectation that when you do have black leaders in a city that, on issues like this, they will be very bold, they'll be very outspoken. and a lot of times, they aren't. not everybody in government or in politics is comfortable with what comes with booking a system that's been in place for 400 years. as long as there are confederate monuments everywhere, white supremacy will always be here. i just don't know what to do. the community, the city council, the city administrator, none of them are helping to get this thing going. i think they've got somebody coming in to make sure they don't commit. but, then i almost thought, we'll never get to the bottom of that. it's sucks! >> the controversy over a confederate flag continues tonight. >> justin and i have tried to exhaust all reasonable evidence, and it's just not walking. >> tommy darius is not threatening to remove the flag and confederate marker himself. he -- just so he could shove that flag up the s of everybody in orangeburg fraternity. >> they stun the sons of the confederate telling them if they want their flag in marker, you need to come and get. it >> would if i don't need this whole like to the confederacy and they put flags and swat stickers and what the hell ever. is the city going to be okay with that? no! so they better get their ass is on board. >> if you go right around the monument -- i'm just getting ready for pick of. the science a confederate, i don't need it to them. >> more days go by without something happening. . okay, since we were here last, you can see where he's been thinking around the monument. he's been trying to cause so less chaos that somebody's trying not to overreact. i just understand, i just don't understand. i want people to know that our ancestors are good people, most of them didn't have slaves. i've talked people all along, that was the best thing that ever happened to folks that came over. they would not be driving bmw's to date. and their ancestors remained in africa because they would've been eaten by other tribes or eaten by lions and tigers. i know that isn't politically correct to say. but it's true. my father had across eastern washington d. c., in 1968, i was about 12. my father was working the story. and they were expecting a -- about 1:00 that, night we had a phone call. the store burned to ground, i'll never forget this. my father stood in front of the storm cried. my father was a huge man. and in the meantime i saw black people lining up over here and it was like you know, that these guys, all these people are lining up. and i thought it would be bad. so the first person walked up to my dad said i owe you money. and i'd like to pay. my father said, man, i have no idea how much do on me. they all blend in the store. and she said, i think it's 12 hours in some sense. she paid, within minutes a linebacker and the people paid my dad money. and, we left. my father never had a racist bone in this body. i wanted people to know i'm not know racist bastard standing home holding up that flag. you sure that's not a camel? 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>> tell me doris versus city of orangeburg. >> when i arrived, there and i see that flag, i think about the fact that, as a, kid i used to ride by there and be afraid. >> this is not a challenge. we are challenging the underlying use of the property. >> and now, as a man, i get to ride by there and think i can play a role to make it go away. that's a pretty don't dream. . the judge is going to. review >> she's going to go through the argument that was me today, she's going to look at the record that's up on appeal. and then she's going to reach her decision. so now we're just going to have to wait. >> so, sometimes i wonder if maurice wasn't up there chuckling. look at bus. he's catching held down there. he's doing all right. the sons of confederate veterans have starched feelings about the fact that some of their ancestors fought in the civil war for the confederacy. but, if you were to give half of those members the original document of south carolina, most of them probably either have been dreaded, refused to read it because they know what it says or will read it and say, yes but that's not why my ancestors fought. >> i'm not gonna say that saver, in any way shape or form, involves the decisions. but those men did not leave their families and their homes and there were beds to go to fight so somebody can own the saves. declaration of the immediate causes reaching the justified of south carolina from the federal union -- a geographical line has been drawn across the union and all the states north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of the president of the united states, whose opinions have purposes that are hostile to slavery. the slave holding state will no longer have the power of self governance. and the federal government will have to become the -- if you want to come at me and say that the sole purpose was slavery, so be it if that's what you desire. but if we agree to disagree that will be all right, you know. because i admitted, the slavery played a part in it. slavery was a factor but there were other factors involved. >> if you stand for an institution that supported slavery and you don't denounce that and you choose to ignore it, i think that it implicitly means that somewhere in you, you are okay with it. >> new developments tonight, a circuit court judge agrees that a flag in front of the creamery does not violate the city of orangeburg zoning ordinance. owner of the -- creamery, now says, because it affects his business, he closed that shop and is now selling it. >> here is my closed down a little story. and it's all gone. it's just, it's not comfortable to be here. >> i think people couldn't differentiate between this property being someone else and this property being a creamer. i think it's insane, because nothing that plants there is going to be successful as long as that is not saw. >> i do feel like i've been pushed down. but we know exactly what happened when they put that bigger flag up, and the people were killed in charleston. we knew exactly what was going on. and that was in their hearts. >> now it's closed, and it's over, i'm very relieved. >> at the end of the day, getting my family away from here and moving back to familiar people in places is just a plus, plus. >> shop closed! yes, shop is closed. >> our success in orange burqas inspired and their people to stand up. >> everybody else is taking them down. and we're putting them up. >> today, we're raising the first confederate battle flag on i-95 in south carolina. [applause] >> when a liberal as them has lived hard and comes down the road and pence down to see a battle flag, that we want. because they don't have anything to do -- they could have their history, we want to keep ours. >> do you worry that there will be a day when the confederate flag is not flying in orangeburg? >> yes. how can you help not to worry about it? i don't dwell on it, but there are times when i can foresee and i worry about that there may not be a confederate flag flying in the city of orangeburg or the majority of the united states. >> [noise] george floyd! >> huge number of people coming up in every single state in the country. standing together to say, this is not acceptable anymore, black lives matter. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> african american, ahmaud arbery's seen running [noise] >> no justice, no peace. >> george floyd repeatedly cried, my neck hurts, i can't breathe. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> breonna taylor shot eight times and killed by police. >> hands up, don't you! >> here in south carolina, all across the nation, community members have been challenging their local and state government to take down confederate statues. >> why do we want? justice! >> when do we want? it >> now! >> today, they will vote on a resolution to remove a confederate statue. >> a protests outside of city hall, members want the 20 -- confederate statue removed. >> when people say it's not my head -- it's our heritage, it's not our heritage. i think of confederate, i am unfair. it's been one of those things where you can talk about, it and you don't say anything about. it but, we are now in the time where we have the voice. >> we are here today because of course the mere city council are meeting on the resolution in regards to the statue. >> we just hope that the city will remove the statue from downtown square and rename it. >> -- >> where do you live? >> i live in north carolina. >> are simple as part of the symbol of oppression. >> our first goal is to remove the racist statue and racist street names in orangeburg. and of course, the confederate flag at the creamery. we called the mayor's office, we called the city council members. >> i am excited to see what's going on in orangeburg. we are seeing people who want change. and they're not asking for change in how they're demanding. >> as we continue, we've got to do a much better job collectively of being willing to fight the fight when it's not the popular thing to do. , and if we can keep doing that, keep pushing for change than we can keep standing up>> and i loe day where i jump in my car in orangeburg, and that confederate flag is no longer flying there. >> i'm craig, melvin and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is dateline. >> lead isn't a very good anniversary gift -- >> we need an emergency, ambulance my wife has a gunshot. >> a fatal gunshot, just hours after celebrating 16 years of marriage to a police officer husband. >> he told me, she may have tried to clean my gun, and it may have accidentally went off. >> police were suspicious, the victim's own mother wasn't. >> she was so opposed to anyone even exploring the idea that her only daughter had

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