Reject everyone obama nominates for office. Demagoguery and history shows it, while dynamite for the short game in politics, theres always a crowd when someones about to explode, doesnt make for a good career move. Soon people discover you are essentially a negative force. Primarily interested in attacking whatever, whoever you see out there in front of you. Cruz wants to kill the Affordable Care act which was legitimately enacted into law. He wants to bring the American Government to a halt, renege on the National Debt to get it removed. This is how he wants to be known. This is a brand he wants to establish for himself even if it tears the government apart. Michael grimm is a new york republican. Thank you for joining us. Let me just get something straight. I dont think i met you more than once or twice, mr. Grimm, but i want to ask some certain questions that have been raced on this show recently. First of all, do you believe that president barack obama was legitimately elected president of the United States twice . Yes. Of course. Do you believe that the Affordable Care act was legitimately passed by both house of congress with the 60vote supermajority in the senate and signed legitimately by the president . Yes. So during the majority the democrats had, absolutely. And it is a legitimate part of the law of the land right now. Yeah, no. It was enacted into law. I think some of the delays are in question, but overall, yes. Absolutely it was enacted into law. And yet i want to know your position on this. There are those in your party i think 30 or 40 who are pushing it but others going along who believe this. They believe the United States government should stop if necessary to get that bill defunded or in other words exterminated. And the other people in fact, a good number of them also want to go further and say the United States government should basically default on its debt if necessary to make sure that obama care as its been called is destroyed. Is that your view . No. I dont think shutting the government down, defaulting on our debt, not honoring our obligations to our military veterans and seniors does anyone any good. So i have disagreed with senator cruz. I think he has dialed up the rhetoric to a point where its actually hurting the Republican Party. Its not good for our party. Its not good for america. But at the same time is he a fraud . Is he a fraud . Do you think hes for real or i think hes for real in a terrible way. A terrible way meaning someone who believes that my way or the highway to the point of destructiveness. And not exactly interested in republican government which is to represent the people generally and the government to keep it going. But you think hes a fraud . Or do you think hes the real thing . A real well, radicals not a bad word for him, i think. Ive said this before. I think when he came out and basically put up his hands and said its up to the house now to do it, i think its a cowardly act, number one. And it showed he wasnt being honest with the american people. He always knew they did not have the votes in the senate, so he wasnt being forthright. And again, that certainly doesnt help the Republican Party. But more importantly, its not about republicans or democrats. Its about the greatest nation in the world. It doesnt help our society move forward. It doesnt help our seniors, our veterans, or anyone else. The rhetoric needs to stop. That doesnt mean we dont need to have a serious discussion. What we miss in this when you have someone like senator cruz railing the way he does, is you miss the legitimate arguments which is 7 million americans according to the cbo will lose their sponsored health care as it is now. The 15,000 spouses that worked for u. P. S. Will no longer have the coverage they once had. Those are legitimate arguments and need to be protected too. Their voices need to be heard. Thats one of the reasons im on your show, to speak to them. Their voices need to be heard. By the way, i hope things are going a little better than in your area, Staten Island especially got hit so hard by sandy. I want to speak about that later in the fall here. Let me bring in Steve Schmidt right now. Its fascinating the whole thing. I have never seen a guy like cruz. I think he makes rand paul seem tame. But this idea of basically jamming the other house, attacking them, forcing them well, without doing anything really himself except talk. Well, it is remarkable to watch. And at least now you see the congressman doing it, you see many other republicans doing it. But its well past the hour where this type of stuff needs to be confronted. And we need to have a fight inside the Republican Party where we can take conservatisms good name back. What ted cruz is doing is neither conservative or principled. It is radical and opportunistic. This is a disaster for the Republican Party. I think its all about him running for president in 2016. He sees a lane of people who are motivated by one thing, opposition to the president at all costs. They dont care if theres not a single policy idea, a single solution to one of these countrys problems. We have more than a few of those folks in the Republican Party. And were going to need to have a contest where we have the Solutions Oriented conservatism that has worked in the past. Put up against cruzzism and as you know, chris because you were there, Ronald Reagan would be appalled by this. I know. He was a pragmatist. He was a problem solver. He wasnt a defaultist. He wasnt like one of these guys like cruz. Well, ted cruzs position could be confused. This gets tricky but its interesting to members of congress certainly. The funding bill he supports which is now in the senate, he wants to filibuster. In other words, he wants to fight for which defunds obama care as part of this continuing resolution. Yet he says lets filibuster it. Lets watch. It should be an easy decision for Senate Republicans to stand united and to support House Republicans. And ill tell you, any vote for cloture, any vote to allow harry reid to add funding for obama care with just a 51vote threshold, a vote for cloture is a vote for obama care. Explanation for that is. Lets watch. Its not a tactic we can carry out and be successful. And i am sure that the senate is going to move that bill forward. You know, the ironic thing is that the answer now in the senate by those who proposed the strategy is to filibuster the very bill they said they wanted. Let me ask you about the congressman, congressman grimm on this one. Do you understand how crazy this is . Cruz is saying to filibuster the bill you came up with. This is the reality, a harsh reality for the Republican Party. We have our own internal struggle and challenge we have to deal with. And i have many conservative principles, but at the end of the day i was elected to govern and to use my skillset as a leader to try to bring people together. This is the United States of america. And when i was in the marine corps, the army, navy, air force, we had our squabbles. But we all went together as team usa. Thats what the Republican Party has to do. When we deal with these growing pains to unite and we should be uniting our party, that also means reaching across the aisle and getting things done together as team usa. And senator cruz is really hurting the Republican Party from working among themselves but also working to stop any of the bipartisanship if were going to get anything of substance passed through the house and signed on the president s desk. Now, steve, i didnt do this just because youre on this show, but i know youre going to like who is siding up here with ted cruz. Senator cruz does have a supporter. Sarah palin remember she was governor of alaska until she quit . She wrote an oped that said as follows. If the senate doesnt get behind ted cruzs efforts to defund obama care, it wouldnt be because of failure on teds part. It would be there werent enough principled leaders to stand with him. Its enough to set it on cruz control. Theyve written my political obitua obituary. Good luck with that you weasels. And a reminder up to reelect n reelections in 2014, moose season ends allowing more time on ones hands. Well be watching your votes carefully this week. Steve, what do you think of this frankenstein monster, this woman that can threaten every single republican in a primary fight . Well, look. This isnt new news. For the last couple of years, weve had this wing of the Party Running rough over the rest of the party. Tossing out terms like rhino saying were going to purge the moderates out of the party. That, you know, its all of the people that shes attacking in her statement. Weve lost five u. S. Senate seats over the last two election cycles. And fundamentally we need republicans whether theyre running for president , whether theyre in the leadership of the congress to stand up against this asininity. You saw it with ted cruz. Maybe hes the one that has gone a bridge too far. As we come up against a potential default, potential government shutdown, wise people understand the political consequences for the Republican Party. Maybe well start seeing our elected leaders stop being intimidated by this nonsense, have the nerve, have the guts to stand up and say enough is enough. This isnt what the Republican Partys about. To fight to take conservatisms good name back from the freak show thats been running wild for four years and that i have deep regret in my part, certainly, in initiating. But its time for republicans to again embrace what made us successful in the past. Which is a party that has solutions to the problems that face the country. Let me go back to the congressman whos been elected out of new york city. Staten island and places like that are more conservative than other places in new york city, but i think you represent that moderate republicanism. I notice that a lot of republicans from the northeast, people like yourself and pat mooeian and tom fitzgerald, voted for cuts in food stamps. It seems like theres a no question. This has been brewing for awhile. This has been brewing all through the last congress. And now its finally boiling over because the reality is this is not what the Republican Party represents. Its not all or nothing. It is supposed to be a large tent. I came here to actually solve problems. And thats what republicans do very well, because i think one of the differences between, you know, pragmatic conservative opposed to a liberal is the fact we look at things in where we have today and how do we solve todays problem, not the world we want to live in but the world were in. We do get coopted by the far, far right that isnt constructive and isnt willing to work with everyone. Ideologies are dangerous. We have to be pragmatic and be willing to govern and lead. Thats not what ted cruz is doing. I think it is time we confront it head on. Thats what youre seeing now. And overall i think thats a good thing for the party and will be a good thing for the country because it will get resolved one way or the other. How do you see the next couple days from here to the end of october where there will be a back and forth, the senate will reject the house version, the house will reject the senate version. Something will have to get done by october 1st, or the government shuts down. Then the hours that commence then, the eleventh hour, 1 00 when its past midnight, hold it together, then have another big fight over the debt ceiling sometime in october. Hows this end for the Republican Party, do you think . Look, if the government shuts down, i think its going to be politically very bad for republicans. Republicans will pay the price. Certainly probably the president s numbers will come down as well. I think you see that in the pew poll thats out today. The much more serious issue is the potential default. And what i worry about is a guns of august scenario. When you walk that close to the edge, even though it should be able to be avoided in terms of going over it, sometimes an accident happens. Sometimes you slip over the edge. And a default and so many members on the republican side in congress believe that the United States for the first time in its history, this radical notion that the reserve currency of the world that we can default with no consequence, no Global Economic problems that arise out of that is dangerous. And so i worry deeply about the implications for the country, the economy, and politically just be a disaster of Epic Proportions for the party if we default and peoples savings are wiped out, turmoil in the stock market. It will be very, very bad. And it puts the democrats in a position where potentially they could get the house back and theyre certainly not at that place now. It would be one of the great selfinflicted political wounds of all time building on our selfsabotage that led to the loss of the five senate seats over the last two elections. Congressman grimm, youre in the caucus, you meet them socially, bump into them at lunch. Do they understand the prospects as steve laid them out . I think the vast majority of them understand it doesnt help the economy or the country. We are struggling with recovery right now. As so many people are not working, my district was devastated by sandy. Theres a lot of Small Businesses who havent opened. There are a lot of people struggling to make ends meet. The last thing we need to do is revert back out of a struggling recovery to a down slope towards another recession or a depression. So i wholeheartedly agree thats unattenable. But i think the overwhelming majority of republicans get that. This is more what were liking to see, calmer minds will sit down and look at things like sequester and see if we can sweeten the pot to possibly delay obama care because there are some very strong issues that we have. Again, 15,000 people spouses from u. P. S. Are not going to have coverage they once had. Thats a serious issue to talk about. Thank you. 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