With neither honor nor irony. Well, this same karl rove has just declared plans to keep the Republican Party what he and she wants to do, vote for the most right wing candidate in site. Bushs brain is now mocking the Republican Brain with his announcement that henceforth he, not those primary caucus voters will select the best candidates for senate and other high offices. He, the architect will design the winning republican offering for 2014. What this says is that the mightiest mus in the Republican Party happens to lost his faith in the party. He and she will throw up more disasters for the voter to reject come next november. More aikens and murdochs who has made the grand old party can tillon of calls. Who dares to trust rove as a selfstyled electoral grand ra jeer. Lets hear from Howard Feinman and joy reed. Talk about political cross dressing. Hes going from being the master of disaster by making sure hencefor henceforth, those frisky little voters arent going to go right wing. Well, ive been laboring all afternoon to come up with the best analogy. The best i can come up with, this is like dr. Frankenstein himself starting an antimonster crusade in the country side. He built this thing. He built the thing and now hes trying to unbuild it. His eye for candidates is not really that terrific to begin with. The problem theyve got is in an earlier generation, with an earlier structure, the republicans can take the energy of the people of the grass roots. Bend it toward the middle and use it to elect people like Ronald Reagan and the bushes, father and son. But all of that architecture is gone. All youve got is the energy at the grass roots that isnt organized in anyway. And karl rove cant organize it. Neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now cant control it. So those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. Exactly. Dont forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, antitax, antieverything. They were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. And now theyre paying for it. And karl is trying to unwind what hes wound. Hes like a track tout. I used to go and after the races were over, they would show you who theyd recommend youd bet on. It was always the winners that pass out the free picks. I would have bet on this guy. Thats rove out there saying i would have had all of these winners picked, we would have won all of these general elections and now everybody realizes were going to go over it in a minute. But your thoughts . Now, i toe ttally agree with howard. Your analogy there. The problem for karl is we have all the betting slips. His two organizations, american cross roads and cross roads gps had a 1 and a 14 success rate. That is not a good track record. It doesnt august auger well. This guy, basically, built donors out of more than 200 million and got no return on investment and now hes coming back and saying oh, i can fix the party. Good luck with that. Lets take a look here. Youre dead right there. In case you forgot, karl rove embarrassed himself on national television. This is another little problem he had. The fox news called it, ohio had voted for obama this past november. Do you believe that ohio has been settled . No, i dont. It may be that barack obama wins the state. But it seems to me that u you know, youve got a lot of votes yet to cast. Well, in an attempt to convince rove he was gone, called fox news hoesz megan kelly took an oncamera walk to the fox decision desz k. Well do a little interrogation and see if they stdby their call. Notwithstanding the doubt that karl rove is attempting to place. Keep coming. Here we go. This is the decision desk. Now were in the heart of the decision desk room. You tell me whether you standby your call at ohio given the doubts that karl rove just raised. Were actually quite comfortable with the call in ohio. My god, there you have karl rove who has ridiculously put himself to the hard right, a fox, saying fox makes the call as good people across the country at the time and he says i dont like that. Whats the matter with you guys . Other than everything that was on msnbc and nbc, that was my favorite moment of the night. But its very damaging for karl. Ive covered him forever. Whats worse . Getting all the picks wrong . Or refusing to accept reality . Well, theyre both terrible for a guy who, at one point, was viewed as the kind of savant, the architect. Bushs brain. Was that ever meant to be ironic . Youre laughing, joy. George w. Bush thought it was ironic. Dont forget, maybe i shouldnt be crude on the air dont. Okay, i wont be. George bush had another name for karl rove. Oh, yeah. Its something you would find in a farm field that was much less favorable. Blossom was part of it. W. Wasnt always e nam ret of karl rove. But i think its gotten away from him. Lets get back to something we were talking about, which is the democratization of the Republican Party. In this sense, they can no longer be ruled, joy. Theyre so angered up by what theyve been fed, this anger fesation thats been planted for so many years now about farmers, imgrants, minorities, government, taxes. Theyve got so many hatred. They used to hate communism, which was pretty healthy. Theyre not going to listen to people like dick luger. They not going to vote for bob bennett. Theyre looking for someone way out in the sage where you shall. Thats absolutely right. Karl rove was the brain and was a smart guy in the party back when the far right was allowed in the house but they couldnt touch anything. They werent allowed to actually run anything. But what happened since george w. Bush, when they sort of corralled in the far right wing, convincing them that george w. Bush was a true conservative which, of course, he turned out in their minds not to be. He turned out to be a big spender. He turned out to do Medicare Part d. He did all of these things. They were able to get the far rooi right to go with them. Now, since 2010, theyve been allowed to govern. Theyve actually had real power. Theyre not guiloing back into t mode. But, chris i dont think they Like Fighting aides in africa too much. But, chris, i also think the other thing that you said is very, very important, which is, in the old days, in the Ronald Reagan days, the enemy was over there. It was communism. It was the reds. And the binding principle of Ronald Reagans conservativism was anticommunism, which had more to do with the world as a whole than the very power structure of your own political party. Whats happened with the tea party is that theyre constantly running against their own people, not only in washington, not only the government, but their own republican remember the 11th . Forget the 11th commandment. Thats way, way its now being stampeded over. Heres the new organization. Its if latest example, republicans turning on each other. John mccain tried to humiliate nominee chuck hagel. And this is just the beginning. Are you going to answer the question, senator hagel. The question is were you right or wrong . Thats a pretty straight forward question. But karma caught up with mccain quickly. About an hour after that, he berated hagel. Heres how rand paul reacted to mccains comments. Lets listen. I find the argument spurious and really frankly absurd. On Laura Ingrams radio show, louisiana senator marco rubi on the emigration issue. I love and respect marco, i think hes amazingly naive. Wow, in other words, he cares about hispanics. In a colossal put down, Chris Chistie hung the blame for postsandy suffering squarely on republicans. Theres only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. The House Majority and their speaker, john boehner. You know, joy, this was an old democratic problem. Yes. It was called democrats in disarray. You could put it up on every newspaper, every evening news show. You had it every week for years. Now, we dont have alliteration here, but republicans doesnt sound as neet. It sounds like theyve picked up disease from the ds. The people like rove who are trying to engineer the numbers, trying to engineer 51 by wanting to do all of these politically savvy things by finding someone who looks salve ri. And then you have the grass roots thats just about listen, let me take care of my state or you have the far right. And theyre not listening anymore. The far right doesnt believe the reason they keep losing president ial elections or that theyve lost the last two is because theyre too far right. Its because people like karl rove keep forces moderates on them. They blame people like karl rove for their problems. Were going to get to it later in this show. The d block. But how can you convince minorities, for example, that you really want to plague hispanics. How can you get them to believe youre really interested in them being part of your coalition if youre spending all of your time rigging the elections . Exactly. Well, theres that, too. Joys point, i think, is people like rand paul, they identified the enemy as the Republican Party itself. And in the old days, and even under Ronald Reagan, the Republican Party had a little bit of a wait in line, royalist tinge to it. Now, reagan challenged it, but he first ran in 68. And then he ran in 76. And then he finally got in 80 and put bush on the ticket. All of that structure that yufzed to keep the lid on things is completely gone. Now youve got somebody like rand paul whos definitely going to run for president in 2016. His whole strategy is going to be to run against the Republican Party. If you want to encapsulate the problem with the Republican Party right now, just look at john mccain and sarah palin. They are palinites and these establishment guys. And theres no regard for them as the former standard. In the old days, the republicans would give some props to the people. That used to last forever. Anyway, thank you, howard. And joy, thank you. Thank you. Coming up, the unmasking of the nra. The scales have fall nl from our eyes and we can all see with the nra is right now, the National Voice of gunman ewe fa manufact their personal arsenals is the last defense in the tir ran kal government. Its getting worse out there. Republicans havent given up on the idea of rigging elections. Where else would they come from . 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Theres no legislation being proposed to subvert the second amendment. Tell them specifically what were talking about. Things that the majority of americans, when theyre asked, support. And tell them now is the time for action. That were not going to wait until the next newtown or the next aurora. Well, the more that the nra looks like a bunch of dead enders, the better the chance that the president can rally the country. David corns Washington Bureau chief and joan walsh, both are msnbc political analysts. Joan, do you think Wayne Lapierre has lost it . He got a grilling on fox yesterday. Lets listen to how he reacted. The president s kids are safe and were all thankful for it. The point of that ad they also face a threat that most children do not face. Tell that to the people in newtown. Do you really think that the president s children are the same kind of target as every school child in america . Thats ridiculous and you know it, sir. You talk one of the points of that ad that i want to ask you about is you made it a class argument, the rich, the elite. They have bodyguards. They have security. Sure. And mayor bloomberg has it. Mayor bloomberg has it. Ill tell you somebody else who has security, you do. Sometimes, yeah on capitol hill you had security. Today you have security. Yeah, you talk about hypocrisy right out in the open, weve had all kinds of threats coming. You know, trying to outline those sentences, theres a lot of grunts going on there. I dont think theres a lot of words or verbs in there. Good for chris. He caught him, like a good newsman, he caught him. This guys sense of fairness, of logic, is gone. Going after the president s daughters who are protected because theyre the president s daughters and can be used as hostages. We all know why. We know why we protect the president s widows. We understand why we protect the president s when theyre retired. We know they can be used against our country. Thats why they get protection. Not because its some sort of plus in their life. Class snobbery. Right, no, its ridiculous. What it shows you is that Wayne Lapierre is so used to being deferred to in certain situations and honestly, particularly on fox, i think this is very significant. You know, four years ago, as the Obama Administration was just Getting Started in its first term, lapierre was on with glen beck riling people up, talking to becks paranoid audience about this gun grab that was coming. And all of this beyond alarmist, insane rhetoric and devicive rhetoric. How much is do you think people were just psychological . Is this a male thing worried about somebody coming to get their appliance . I mean, what is this about . It seems deeper than just how many guns do you own . Do they actually believe that the federal government is going to come doortodoor to lawabiding, regular class, people, looking for guns . Do they actually believe thats going to happen . Some of them do, i think. And i think they particularly believe it when theres a democrat in the white house. Wayne lapierre is the person who talked about federal agents after oklahoma city. So this is a man whos been allowed to have a platform on the national stage, even though he is a wing nut. And, finally, you have someone reich Chris Wallace who is certainly a more moderate voice of fox telling the truth and calling him out as ridiculous. And Wayne Lapierre is not prepared for this at all. Guys, why dont they Pay Attention to the aclu . If you think about it, you cant do a stop and frisk law without fighting the aclu. You cant just go out and frisk them. These guys think somebody is coming to their house to take away their shotgun . Theres no precedent for this. We are so scared to invade peoples privacy in this country that the only time you get checked you dont get checked getting on a train. The only time is getting on an airplane. Chris, you like american history. You reach hitch ard hoffstetter. From the very beginning, this country was born with this conflict between people who were fearful of Big Government and those who werent. And people like Wayne Lapierre and others just found these flames. They make a lot of money doing it. It supports them politically. Why does it work . I think they are preying on fears and worries and anxieties. Is he crazy like a sfox . I think hes crazy like millions of the other people. I dont know if he believes this stuff. I think he behaves like the people who are scared. Thats what i think works. By the way, the class thing is so important here. If you can convince the average guy, usually a guy in pennsylvania who is a deer hunter who once a year goes out and shoots deer. I dont do it, but fine, you