all has happened in the last 90 minutes or so. we'll see. >> general mccaffrey, can i ask you this, the white house is being careful not to call it a balloon. we know it's the size of a small car, seen at 40,000 feet altitude. what could be it be? what are the possibilities that are out there based on your expertise here? >> i assume it's a balloon. i assume it came out of either russia or china. the fact that it was smaller means it potentially could be just a metro device, not an intelligence device. it was easily shot down. i think the key question for us to find out is was it chinese? was it launched subsequent to the last balloon being identified, meaning they were ignoring u.s. feedback. the whole notion of the previous shoot down was the unbelievable brazenness of collecting intelligence in a manner that was easily could be discovered

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