to large segments of the country at its growing stages -- it was over a century and change before women could even vote, blacks could even vote. in many ways, there was a broader sense of authoritarianism before we centralized it in an individual like trump. and does that not feed, to some people feeling that they should have decisions over others and why not have an individual have that kind of authoritarian power? >> absolutely. what these figures do when they come on the scene, they end up having kind of a tenth, where all the different types of extremism and racism that that country has had in its history. and they legitimize, it they give it value, and so trump was very, he was very scientific about this. i doubt that the neo-nazis who were in charlottesville ever thought that a sitting president would tell them that they were very fine people. so there he was playing to all races, to all extremists.