special midterm coverage with msnbc. for the next two hours, i'm joined by jonathan -- elysium and then it is to break down everything that we are searing and hearing on the ground across america. some of the first polls close and 48 hours, and the closest we get to election day, the more it starts to seem like anything could happen. nbc news is out today showing a highly competitive lance big in what could be the most consequential elections of our time. democrats have now pooled even with republicans in enthusiasm and identical 73% for both parties quote highly interested in the midterm election in october nbc poll, republicans held a nine-point advantage on enthusiasm. they also find that among all voters and congressional pressure is tied at 147. all registered voters do not typically vote. among likely voters, 48% are for a democratic-controlled congress compared to 47% for republican control. obviously, all of that is within the margin of error. here's the better news, particularly since efforts to duress voting and it continues in this country, more than 41 million votes have already been cast. and we see news is expecting record turnout for a midterm election when all of the votes are counted. let's be clear, polls might be close in 48 hours, but vote counting maybe going on for days. we should think about this as election week, not election day. candidates in key races across america have been making their final pitches this weekend, and so has president biden. here he is just moments ago, campaigning in new york state. >> where is the inflection point? i mean it sincerely, what's going to happen for the next couple of years is going to have more to do with what this country looks like 20 years from now than anything else. >> it midterm election is typically, the party which controls the white house loses congressional seats. nothing is typical about this year for the state of america right now, and that's where we begin our team coverage tonight. i'm joined by my team colleagues and my friend, alicia menendez, jonathan capehart, thank you for being with us tonight. jonathan, i'll start with you because i start with you this morning. we've been on a long time. and i get these things, the characterization that i'm using, i have more more superlatives about this midterm election that i possibly ever used it before. this comes after five years of a lot of superlatives about politics. we say that this is one of the most consequential midterms in recent memory. is that true? is it true that what happens this week has an impact on the 2024 election, and possibly democracy itself? is that just a story that we journalists tell ourselves? >> it's for real. it's for real this time. and for the exactly the reason that you say. 2022 is a dress rehearsal for 2025. if the american people -- if they don't get it right this time, then 2024 is going to be exponentially worse. we have election deniers up and it down the ballot for all sorts of offices. there could be an election denier as governor of arizona, or maybe even governor of new york. and then you go on down from there. that's why i say the 2022 is over 2024. >> and you look at the secretary of state races. >> you never cared about anything! >> i don't think we ever knew -- >> i never knew the name of one across this country, and now we talk about them, and to them. >> and to your point, it reminds us that the election is different. if you are coming down to earth from mars, it hadn't watched anything about this election and i said to you that it's the first midterm after a presidential election just based on that fact alone, you would say well, power will likely go to the opposition party. and then layered on top of that, the fact that there were economic headwinds, the fact that there was showing up in consumer sentiment. you'd say, there's just no way. but the real question for tuesday -- how much of the additional factors overturning roe v. wade, and to the extent that that has galvanized voters. the fact the gas prices have dropped in recent weeks. the sum of action that we saw from democrats on student loans, on the ira. how much all of that mitigates the factors that would otherwise be baked in? >> it's not hyperbolic to say that this could be one of the last, if not the last fair and free election in this country. i look at it as a different election to 2016, and a continuum of what we've been experiencing over the last five or six years. it's the erosion of our democracy that was brought on by donald trump and how he tried to undermine rule of law. and obviously it culminated with january the 6th and have the momentum of that moment until today has not been accelerated, and -- there are always going to be the political issues from year to year, party to party, economic inflation, real issues, things we have to talk about. but this election is also compounded by the transformative issues of our democracy. >> we've been friends for a long time, we are often not together in the same place -- >> and being next to you make me realize how short i am. >> it's worth it! [laughs] >> i'll try to lower in. i was born in a country -- i came from a country that was a british colony, i was actually born in a different british colony where we had parliamentary democracy. you said something esther interesting, the opposition party. they came down, picked the opposition party. the republican party that's not acting like a opposition party. if they were, that would be interesting. if they had alternatives to some of the economic or social policies being criticized, that would be something. the number one issue on the ballot today, which is often the case, and inflation. republicans will be going around the country talking about how is joe biden and the democrats who are responsible for export inflation. we talked about it this morning, it's just not, unless you believe that joe biden and the democrats also run the netherlands and spain, and germany, and mexico, and venezuela -- >> they actually do, with the conspiracy theories by the way. >> and for the moment, it's a winning formula for republicans. it looks that way in the polls. >> it looks that way in the polls, but it's also easy. it's low hanging fruit. you're the party out of power, the president is the democrat and so you blame him for the hike. you blame him for inflation. you blame him for whatever economic ills that you think the american people are suffering, or you say that they're suffering while not talking about loudly, but we've seen it, what they're planning on doing if they retake the majority, going after social security, and other entitlements. other things that they want to do it as tax cuts for the wealthy. things that will have a detrimental effect on the middle class, and working class americans. republicans don't want to talk about that, but president biden has actually been on the campaign trail, reminding people, going out for senator rick scott by name, who has been the head of the national republican senate campaign committee. he is the guy who is out there recruiting all of these folks running for senate to try to retake the majority. he has his own economic blueprint that's got nothing to do with anybody else in the republican party, including mitch mcconnell. >> he knew he's already said, i'm not about that. >> >> it's an interesting point. there are fissures within the republican party right now, and i want to explore those a little bit more. let's go to florida where donald trump just made a closing argument of sorts, nbc's aly but tally the other ali v is in miami. ali v, good evening. we've seen before, as jonathan was just alluding to, seems like donald trump is starting something brand-new. >> brand-new interparty feuds, but there are ones that we really could've seen. the fact that he's out on the campaign trail talking about the other people that could run in 2024 while he himself actively teases another run, potentially in the coming days. none of that is necessarily surprising, maybe just arriving at the ultimate conclusion a little bit earlier than some of the party would've liked. we are squarely in calendar year 2022. nevertheless, listen to how trump is talking about the field that take it -- the fact that we might be nicknamed giving season, listen. >> 71, 10% [inaudible] >> there was trump in pennsylvania just the other day, talking about how the field is doing in the polls. trump of course is at the top of the polls that he was referencing. it brings about the conclusion that many voters have today in florida way i have been at a trump rally. he was here for marco rubio, roger santas, nobody wanted to be there at that rally. most of the republican voters that we spoke to at the trump tally, they say that we know that the governor who had the highest approval rating is on a collision course with the man that is the -- listen to those conversations. >> what happens in 2024, if desantis runs in 2024, what happens? >> that's going to be a good question, and it will be up to the american people to decide. you're going to be one of those deciders. you're in a weird spot, you're deciding between two people you like? >> it's going to be tough. i'll be honest with you, because we love trump, and we lebron desantis. personally, i hope we get eight years of desantis and trump. >> we're actively watching right now, republican voters saying that they won't have to make a choice between trump and somebody widely seen as his heir apparent, but younger and less of the baggage that trump is carrying within the party. even though we're in 2022, 2024 is still top of mind, not just for desantis and trump but also senator tom cotton, we confirmed tonight that cotton has been calling around two allies and donors in recent days, telling them that despite trips to iowa and new hampshire, this he will not run for president the cycle. in large part, because the way the national campaign would impact his ability to spend time with his family. somebody else in the republican party, a donor that taught many of these people said to me today that the reality is that with trump and desantis in the field likely, there's very little room for any people that might want to run for president on that side. >> we are going to watch that unfold in the next couple of weeks. good to see you as always. ali vitale, joining us from miami. we're just getting started here. kornacki's not here, which means i get to fiddle with his big board after the break. i'm wearing pants. we'll go through the latest stats and the critical thing that the democrats are hoping to hold on to on tuesday. we'll be right back. ack. s) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ trelegy for copd. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... 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budget. the city should too. join me in voting no on m and o. now is not the time to raise taxes in san francisco. vote no on m and o. i want to focus on five senate races that are not necessarily the five the you think about is the most critical ones in america. for instance, i'm not showing you wisconsin, and that showing you pennsylvania, showing you ohio. i will show you five that are being defended by democrats to hold that seat in those states. there's a story behind all of them. the first thing i want to show you, and then i'll go back to my colleagues to have a discussion. let's start in nevada right now, at least admit this was just in nevada, and i want to talk to hurt about this in a moment. cortez masto, the democrat, is it running behind. this is all statistically within the margin of error, but running behind adam laxalt he was at 46.7%, according to two 72-win poll average. adam laxalt, the way that we were just talking about inflation, he's one of the ones leading this charge that inflation is the number one concern, and democrats and joe biden, and catherine cortez masto are to blame for it. let's take a look at another place that we were just in last weekend, and that's arizona. the sitting senator mark kelly, a democrat, former astronaut, 47.6%. he is just ahead. again, well within the statistical margin of average. blake masters, 46.6%. blake masters is running -- i don't know how to say this politely, he's running to be a bigger election denier that donald trump's, which is actually saying something in arizona where all statewide office is being contested by election deniers on the republican side. this runs a little bit less contentious, this is colorado -- they went for president in the last round of democratic nominations for presidency. he's running against joe today, comfortably outside of the martian air, and running ahead of our day. it will be an interesting election to watch an election. georgia, interesting at every level all the time, raphael warnock how you will remember on january 6th, when he was elected. in georgia you have to run out the election, you have to have more than 50% of the vote. raphael warnock was feeling the special election, he was feeling the specialty, which means he's up again two years later. look at that, statistical dead heat with herschel walker who is best described as somebody who has a remarkable ability to take all of the auction out of the room, all rooms, at all times. but it's interesting. for all of the stuff that has happened to herschel walker, he is still statistically tied with rafael warnock. this was an interesting one in new hampshire. no one is looking very closely at, but it's really important because the democrats were defending the seat with maggie hassan. she's running two points ahead of don baltic, a retired general, one general and admiral retired who has written a letter making the case in that in their opinion donald trump won the 2020 election. again, a lot of, election deniers, statistically running very close to democratic defenders in the senate. i want to start with you, because two of these are places that you have literally just come from, nevada and arizona where republicans are challenging democrats. >> it strikes me that three of the states that you highlighted are in the mountain west. these are places that have an independent streak, and so you start there is a premise. and then you have something about it, we're talking about the economy and every one of these races. because of that, it relays so heavily on towards, and industry. the industry was hit really hard by the pandemic and there are still a lot of folks that are reeling from that. part of the conversation that's been happening in nevada is that there are folks that may have normally turned out democrat, and the concern here is not necessarily that they were republicans, the concern is whether they stay, which is why you're getting a big effort there. in the case of arizona, it has traditionally been a very close state. you're seeing some of the dynamics for republicans come back together again. a big part of this race, and for me a big part of what makes the both of these races interesting, there are states where they let them play and absolutely critical roles. we'll talk about the latino vote on election night. we're going to see movement out of florida, potentially something from the rio grande valley. if republicans were to make the argument that there is a political realignment underway, then they are going to have to prove it with significant gains in arizona and in nevada. on election night, until we see results from those two states, and i think we can write that. >> but they have been towards republicans since the last election, so that said 30%. >> that is been the point of entry. part of why it's been the point of entry is that in 2016, people were very surprised by donald trump's success among latino voters. very diverse in a number of ways. he was getting about 30% of the vote. 2020, he was getting closer to 40% of that vote. the question is, is their movement in that direction? whatever happens on tuesday night and beyond, it can swing back the other way. you have a majority of latinos who are going to vote for democrats. you have to folks that are going to always vote for republicans. it is that group in between that is the swingiest of the swing. >> it's still going to be a turnout election. with the midterm election it's normally lower, but net impact of greater term it will be felt on tuesday night in a different way. >> you can see in georgia where it is all about getting the turnout. georgia's about turnout. you have two candidates they could not be any more different, and i think for me it highlights the big divide between substance and superficiality. when you have the republican party running somebody not on his merits, what he has done, not what he can do, but simply because they are playing to a demographic turnout that they want people to feel comfortable with you have on the other hand, a man of substance that now has experience in the senate, and so that's what is going to come down to. it'll be interesting with these gubernatorial races, as well as the senate race. more importantly, when we get to it, some have predicted a possible runoff in early december between raphael warnock and herschel walker, if neither of them get that 50%. >> ali, one quick thing on arizona and your comments on turn out, i find it interesting that mark kelly invited president obama to campaign for him. that is telling, because you wouldn't think that president obama would even be asked to go there. they're basically fracking for votes, making sure that they do everything possible to get as many people out to vote. >> we need a quick break. after that, will make sure that your vote counts. where it joined by the election lawyer who is already fighting in courts across the country to ensure that 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potentially arresting people. >> i'm quite concerned. we used to be concerned if there were police even patrolling where in the general area. the kabul where we are right now. we have paramilitary people set up a drop boxes wearing body armor and visible sidearms. we have governors like in florida, setting up special police forces reporting to them who are engaged in net nothing were but intimidation to try to prevent voters from voting. in both of them, i would argue it's part of the same pathology that we see right now among republican activists and elected officials. they simply do not want free and fair elections. it's become an article faith in the republican party to undermine elections rather than have them fair and square. >> you wrote an op-ed recently about days that protected democracy. we've been talking about scary things that are happening right now. we do so with we could expect more cases to be resolved before election day. give us a sense of why those for cases where significant winds, and what do you anticipate happening between now and day that either strengthens or weakens our democracy as we go into the next 72 hours? >> great question. i actually think that we have to take a step back, because very often we focus on all of the bad things, [inaudible] i marvel at a single day last week on thursday. one in the nipsey, new york, when in lansing, michigan, las vegas, and pennsylvania. all different cases, all different courts, but all four of them ruled in favor of the voter. we can't get caught up in just the one big case, when you say that there are ten cases going to be resolved tomorrow, some of that will be larger, smaller, but every one of them will involve a voter. every one of them has a story, the laws and rules are not treating them fairly. they've got spanish speakers they do not have properly translated material. in may keep see, it was for refusal to put a polling location at vassar college, in lansing, michigan it was a republican effort to stop their election rose. in arizona, it was a republican effort to try to corrupt the review of people who vote by mail. all of those winds matter because it all means that people have the chance to vote, and they will have their vote count. >> thank you as always for joining us tonight, thank you for the work you continue to do in defensive democracy. marc elias is the founder of democracy docket. it's the stuff that mark does the guarantees the votes can be cast and be counted. my big concern in arizona for the stuff in florida, who just will not vote? they don't to stand in the lineup where there might be people with guns, where there's some fear that if something will happen, or there's some fear with immigrants who might say, they are coming after me for something. has anybody ever heard anecdotally how people are feeling about voting in this election? >> i was talking in arizona and -- it didn't come out as much. a humbling reminder of how hard it is to reach voters that i would start people in english and spanish, -- they say the election is this tuesday. some of that basic things before you layer on the challenges that we're seeing in this cycle. we should be having a conversation about how we make voting easier. and we get more people engaged in the democracy. it startled me that because of these republican efforts, we find ourselves in a moment where talking with marc elias about defensive winds, including proactive winds. to make sure that people are able to exercise -- >> and to go by quickly to your point in georgia, i actually lived in cobb county, and they went to high school there. i recently met this young woman who is a morehouse medical student, and was challenged with her registration to go to vote. this is a new trend, where any citizen can challenge the registration of you if they state that there's a reason that your registration shouldn't count. she talked about her history, the importance of her going to vote, and what her grandparents sacrificed for her to vote. that weighed heavily on getting hard to go back and challenge that challenge to her registration. to your point, there may be people that are registered who don't know that they've been challenged. they say, i don't have enough time to do this. i can take a day off to go down to the court and deal within. she says she's seen people motivated in georgia because they know how hard anybody work to block them in that election. they're coming out, we'll have to see how that all plays out. ahead, the republican agenda, what is in store if the gop takes control of congress? 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what fades after far-right actors convince their supporters that they were cheated out of power, that their vote was stolen or an election was rigged? >> the ultimate endgame of election denial's election overthrow. it's to compromise the idea of voting in voters minds so that they would no longer be attached to elections. and since the point of democracy's election, it opens the door to then accepting the next january 6th. the other problem with democrats -- the democratic voters is that they are saying that we would like to make voting -- republicans would myth like to make voting a threatening experience. people are afraid to go vote. because of our gun policy, patrolling polls places. we see dozens of states that have the powers of poll watchers, who can become a kind of election army, and in some states they can be armed. you end up with a climate that is like in an authoritarian state. people are too afraid to come and go. that's the form of election pressure as well. >> i want to read you a short list of the hallmarks of fascism, because you can always go down the list and see how they to apply to our country right now. hyper nationalism, minority rights, obsessed with crime and punishment, a resistance to condemning political violence as we saw recently, a willingness to eject election results. this is the scary thing, at one point can commentators start calling far-right republicans in this country fascists? >> we are there. the old-fashioned one party state is less common outside of north korea and china. the gop has become a fascist style party, an autocratic party. one of the biggest measures -- you look at who as the transforms itself to in storage area power, who is getting out, and that's people who stand for the rule of law like liz cheney. and who is coming in? this is very disturbing, and this aligns with old fascist parties. you have lawless extremists coming in, oath keepers, members of anti-government parties, who are becoming the gop politicians. they're coming in wisconsin, there's mark finchem in arizona. what happens to democracy with violent, lawless people becoming the politicians? that is fascism. >> ruth, and ali, one of the points you make is that the attack on paul pelosi, there is an opportunity for everybody including republicans to condemn it. but in fact, many joked about it. >> this is extremely sad, and extremely tragic and worrying. it's truly the end of any bipartisanship, because some of these gop lawmakers have worked for decades. and of course it continues january 6th, where they are hunting people down in trying to harm them. the problem is that once political violence starts, it's very difficult to contain. so the newsom at the capitol on january 6th was not for democrats, it was for mike pence. you have to go after republicans -- and said these people who are not condemning violence, the history of authoritarianism says that is never going to beat them, but it's very difficult to say that because it has a spiraling set. >> ruth, thank you so much, always a pleasure to talk to you. and giving us a really add a check on where we are as a country. thank, you ruth. >> the idea that you think, ruth, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. it's hard, we talk to ruth? we talked to tim snyder, showing freeman in expert and political violence. regularly i had rethought on saturday morning, you had her on last night. we had her on today. there's no business, ruth ben-ghiat has and tv on a regular basis with a book that should not be relevant today. same thing with him, and, and and all of these people. it's a fascinating time in america with experts on fascism, dictatorship, autocracy and political violence or relative to our audience that a daily basis. >> this is where you have -- some wanting to go even further. >> well we have a lot, more msnbc election coverage coming up after the break. don't go anywhere. nywhere. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. two new ihop lunch and dinner menu items for twice the goodness, twice the flavor, and twice the choice. sirloin salisbury steak and all-natural salmon. perfect for lunch or dinner. only at ihop. download the app and earn free food with every purchase. snoring keeping you awake? 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i think the world views this moment we are in with great trepidation because there is fear that not only will america veer off the democratic path, but it will veer off with donald trump at the helm once again. >> the stakes are very, very high, including with ukraine. but including with iran, saudi arabia, with what has happened in israel, north korea, china, as it relates to taiwan. the list goes on and on about this consequences of america losing its grip in leadership on democracy. let's -- msnbc special midterm election coverage. joined by my colleagues, alicia menendez, and ayman mohyeldin. in less than 48 hours, we will have a first glimpse at election results, key races across the country. a new nbc poll out this morning offers us a hint of what to expect. in short, it's a jump ball. 47% of americans say they want a great deal of change in the direction that president biden is leading the country. that same poll shows a highly competitive campaign landscape ahead of tuesday's election. 48% of likely voters say they prefer a democratic-controlled congress. 47% want republicans in control. that kind of deadlock is not just being seen on a national level. take a look at wisconsin which has become a microcosm of american politics in 2022. the race between the incumbent democratic governor, tony evers, and his republican challenger, tim michaels, is a dead heat according to the latest market university lawful. in the states u.s. senate race, -- lieutenant governor mandela barnes is trailing his republican incumbent, ron johnson, by just two points. and that is well within the poll's margin of error. also on the line this election, wisconsin state legislature. after years of extreme gerrymandering, republicans in the state are within reach of a veto proof supermajority, both the assembly and the state senate. even the governor pulls out a win, he could be functionally obsolete. that means the fate of democratic politics in wisconsin -- on the outcome of five races in the state legislature. our colleague come out -- asked him if he is prepared for that outcome. >> first of all, we have to ensure that doesn't happen. very hard to be called -- democrats are running, give them across the finish line. if we ended up in that position, it's kind of hand to hand combat. fighting republicans, moderate republicans, not over right the veto or make that pitch right to the people of the state of wisconsin, you need to contact your legislators and make them help people understand how important democracy is. and that is, we have to avoid this at all costs. >> joining us now is our colleague simone sanders townsend, host of msnbc's simone. great to see you, front. >> good to see you. greetings to you all. -- [inaudible] >> it was quite energizing. good interview. to have you come in with all the light that you bring. thank you for that, my friend. you've been around the country. you've been talking to people. wisconsin is definitely one place everyone should be keeping a very, very close eye on. mandela barnes, interesting story. lieutenant governor of the state. he's well-known. ron johnson is one of those guys we were just joking earlier where we want to ask, him what happened to you, man? you were a conservative republican. he >> changed. >> but it's not connect. ryan johnson is one of the -- i want to be careful about how i say this -- he was key to the january 6th overturning the results of that election effort. >> absolutely. >> he had a list of alternate electors he was willing to give -- >> you know, first of all, i've been asked this question all throughout when i was -- all the folks of wisconsin say, look, we do tight races here in this state. this is what we do. it's true. it's a very competitive race. i asked that lieutenant governor, why do you think people are writing you off? someone who shall not be named, there is a popular polling situation. on the stage in madison, wisconsin, about three weeks ago, said mandela barnes has a -- even though republicans have continue to invest in the race, democrats have invested in the race. this month, mandela barnes has outraised ron johnson in the month of october. this is quite a competitive race. -- i really think that conventional wisdom says fetterman race in pennsylvania -- i think there -- wisconsin is one of them. >> wisconsin has this problem of gerrymandering, perhaps more than any other -- >> the most gerrymandered state in the country. >> the most gerrymandered state in the country. from your time there, how is that a factor in the power dynamic that played for this thing? not just in the mandela barnes ron johnson race, but to control the state legislature. you have a majority of people who, statistically, are democrats in the states. then majority of the legislators's republican controlled. and that has got to be a break of the democratic system there. >> yes. the general assembly, the state legislature, if you will, the house side, republicans -- in wisconsin, republicans are one seat away from a veto proof majority. i talked to the democratic leader of the democratic state legislature and she said, look, it's true. we are on the fence right now. we have to continue to fight. people have to show up. they have to vote. because there are seats in the state legislature. -- democrats in wisconsin have poached to republican held seats. it's not all for not. to say that they are in a comparable situation is not hyperbole at all. >> i'm glad you are in wisconsin. i talked to my colleague friday morning. she's been in wisconsin also reporting on the senate race. she's been covering politics for years, maybe even more than a decade. i've never seen her more disturbed by what she saw following senator johnson in his closing argument. her story is on the website right now. senator johnson but, his racism, his racist closing argument. in your time in wisconsin, is that landing with people, ron johnson, that sort of overt racist closing argument? again, that lieutenant governor of the state. >> the first black lieutenant governor to ever serve in the state. it is landing with black voters specifically. i've spent a lot of time in waukee. i went out to -- i talked to suburban areas outside of milwaukee. i went canvassing with voters from black, which they are two really engaged black voters. and get them to turn out. not any particular candidate that they do indoors, it's engaging the vote. they all referenced the ad speaking with us -- young black professionals who were referencing racist ads that have happened throughout the course of this race. literally, we are in a call, a bar if you will, and one of them is on television. i'm like, this is the at. they all talked about how disheartening it is. it's motivating for them to want to get out and vote. i think conventional wisdom says folks are paying attention and not necessarily engaged. a lack of democratic enthusiasm. i saw in wisconsin and engaged electorate, young people, women, black voters, in the city of milwaukee, who want to see the first black united states representative. >> i think about ron johnson, you bring about the point which is a future podcast idea. what happened to you, man? >> i will be listening. >> we came up with that in the commercial break. ron johnson had this moment in the debate, you guys remember this? mandela barnes is asked what something good about your opponent. he says, he's a good family man. ron johnson response, he is a good family man. -- >> why does he hate america? and that, right there, each of you have covered this on your show about the othering of candidates. -- what can be done to mandolins of wisconsin is to make him seem like he is not one of us. he is not a wisconsin night. he is not an american. that is -- rallying folks in milwaukee, calling mandela barnes on the stage a true blooded wisconsin night. -- who has the factory work, his mom was a teacher. he wants to represent his stat in congress. >> i want to talk about the gubernatorial race, and some sound from to michael which i think captures -- >> republican gubernatorial candidate. >> it's all about the lgbtq and blm. i want to go to work, raise my family, go to church on sunday, go to my kid's ball game. the democratic party doesn't care about any of that. republicans will never lose another election in wisconsin after i'm elected governor. >> and there was so much to pick there. >> that's the entire republican party in one soundbite. that is it. that's the money ball. >> i think it's easy to read that culture war stuff at the top as purely being about rallying up the base. i think they are doing something that's actually more interesting and insidious. which is, what they are saying, they are arguing, democrats have taken their eye off the prize, the price being the economy. they are the ones who focus on all these culture issues. in reality, it has been republicans who have been injecting these issues into the race. injecting these is>> -- have been the playbook. we can go back to the last midterm election, where the former president of the united states of america's fearmongering about people invading the country on the border and sending national guard troops to the united states, devoting resources. it's completely made up. same thing happening here. my only thing is that abortion, though, women's ability to make decisions about their own bodies, has been a motivating decision in this election. some of my republican colleagues -- a culture war. i think it's an economic issue. -- the thing about this, not another democrat will win if i'm elected governor. how can you make that -- >> that was out of context. what's the context? you're gonna be so popular that every other republican will be just like you. that's what he said afterward. no one would ever want to vote for someone else. it's a good way of looking at life. >> sounds good. sounds good. >> i want to add a layer on your -- it is an economic issue. i also heard from a lot of voters in arizona and and of eta, this question of government overreach. right? i don't want the governments involved in those decisions. i think it falls into a different thing. he said something i have to look back on, conventional wisdom is the best pick up opportunity for democrats when it comes to the u.s. senate will come out of pennsylvania. you don't think so? why? >> i think wisconsin is -- ron johnson is not the ron johnson voters voted for initially when they sent him to the u.s. senate all those years ago. mandela barnes is a very compelling candidate. cheri beasley in carolina running against congressman budd. cheri beasley is the only person who won statewide in that race before. she was elected to the supreme court -- the north carolina supreme court justices are elected. she served as the chief justice. somebody i'm looking at, okay? there is potentially a bunch of opportunities for democratic's -- he's gonna be very close races. to assume that this pennsylvania, very hard to win -- i worked two presidential races in the last two cycles. i lost one. one another. pennsylvania is never cut and dry. it's always a difficult state. pennsylvania is the easiest path to a majority in the u.s. senate. i think, you know, it's not the words we can use to describe it. -- >> having been on the ground in wisconsin, and i know you think lieutenant governor barnes can flip the seat, is the enthusiasm there? it's one thing to say, oh i'm, talking to simone sanders and saying, yeah, i'm enthusiastic. do you see the susie as i'm enough that it's going to drive people to the polls on tuesday to push this over the line? >> i think people are paying attention. i think they are excited. i am wondering if they are going to remember to vote. when i was with the lieutenant governor, we were at a place called -- a business have, a lot of black, latino businesses inside this building. we were walking around. people are coming up to him saying, i voted for you. i'm going to vote for you. i'm pulling for you. and then when i went to knock doors at the -- she said she's voted in every election. she's a democrat. she's paying attention. she plans to vote. after more conversations he says, oh, with so many ads, i don't know if i'm going to vote. i said, you're the organizer here. there's a lot of that going on. i said, i really think people need to understand that the power they have in these elections, these electors are going to be decided by a couple hundred, a couple thousand a votes in many places. every vote will make a difference. >> absolutely. i would love to meet the person who meets simone and is not enthused. we've all been talking about her for years. i never come out -- if i'm a little sleepy and a heavy in conversation with you it's like, all right, i'm ready to go. >> y'all make it easy. i'm just happy. i can't tell you how happy i am to join you guys tonight. this is my super bowl. it is an honor to be at the table with all of you. >> we appreciate it. thank you so much. coming up next, jimmy harris and, the chair of the democratic national committee. democrats closing message in the final 48 hours. -- ours -- by asking your healthcare provider if an oral treatment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they are mild, don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk of severe disease, act fast. ask if an oral treatment is right for you. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too. science proves your best sleep is vital to your mental, emotional, and physical health. and we know 80% of couples sleep too hot or too cold. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed. the only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. covid-19 moves fast, proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. let's dive in! but what about your back? 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>> jonathan, i'm live from wisconsin right now. we have been in 13 states over the course of 14 days. going to all the battleground states where we have governors races, senate races. i can tell you this. if this election is about a choice. it's a choice between two different visions for the country. we have one party that believes in the whole community and one that is invested in fear and division. you have one party pushing for progress. the other one that is so anchored in extremism. you have one party that believes america's better days are ahead of us and one who believes are better days are anchored in the past. the democratic party is closing messages this if: you want to party that will fight for you and your family and your community, to deliver for you, your family, and your community, you need to vote for the democratic party. on every single issue, jonathan, look at every bill that has passed the house, that got caught up in the senate, it has been stalled because of republican instruction. and we want to fight for the american people. we want to deliver for the american people. but we need more votes. we need more voters in the united states senate. we need more votes in the house. -- >> on that note, then, what does a good night for democrats on tuesday look like for you? >> the good night for me is to keep our majority in the house and senate, to be kept some of these governors mansions. i think we are well on that path to do that. we knew coming into the midterm election that we knew the history that a president in power usually, the best party loses seats in the house in the senate. and there've only been two years, i think, over the course of 100 years in which a president's party has actually gained seats. we knew these were going to be unprecedented times, particularly coming off of covid and a global crisis like that. we took unprecedented action, jonathan. we at, the dnc, the dnc put $30 million on the ground in 2018. we have spent almost $90 million on the ground. that's not on tv. that's knocking on doors, that's border protection, that's registration. we knew we had to do that. i personally, jonathan, i've contributed to -- almost 125 candidates. we know that everybody has to do everything they possibly can to really keep our majority. that's what we are doing. >> i'm going to ask you exactly the same question jonathan just asked you and i want you to take off your dnc had to people see you and i have the same head. that answer you just provided does not reflect a reality the rest of us are following and reporting every day. what does jaime harrison actually think is a good night on tuesday night, not the head of the dnc? >> well, listen, jaime harrison is the head of the dnc. >> it does not bite -- it does not comport to what we all understand to be on the way on tuesday night. and her thing -- we think you will keep the house and you're gonna flip governors mansions on tuesday night? >> i do. have you looked at -- don't look at those trash polls the republican party has been funding. look at the early voting in the states. look at the early voting in georgia right now. look at the percentage of african americans and young people going to the polls. look at the number of women in pennsylvania. in wisconsin, i talked with the state party chair. he said, we are in unprecedented numbers in terms of early voting in the state. sometimes in the media we like to focus on the polls a lot. the only poll that matters to me is people who actually go out and vote. that is what we are doing right now. people are voting. i'm not listening to the trash polls. i'm listening to the people that have been knocking on doors in communities to see the energy on the ground. i was in pittsburgh with president obama. -- 7500 people in pittsburgh. they were having a football game around the same time. they were all there to cheer on john fetterman, to cheer on barack obama. they are ready for that change. we will see an election day. listen, i love the momentum i see on the ground as i'm going across all the states. >> jaime harrison, alicia menendez here, i think we both know, even if you have what is a good night, defined that a number of ways, you have a number of candidates on the other side who have already said that if the election does not go in their direction, that they are going to question election results. i'm curious what the dnc is doing to prepare for that undeniable reality? >> the republican party is a bit unhinged. if you believe in democracy, you believe in free and fair elections. you get into the arena, you for the best fight that you can. when you lose, you shake your opponents hand and you say you were better -- the republican party is no longer a party that believes that. some third world country party now. we believe in free and fair elections. we believe every single registered american who wants the vote should be eligible to vote and go and have their voices heard. guess what? we are going to fight for those, regardless if you are a democratic voter, a republican voter, and independent outer. this is what america is all about. we have $25 million an hour voter protection program at the dnc the. vice president and i did that last year at the university. folks, if you have a problem voting, go to i will vote.com. i will vote.com. you can be a republican voter if. you have a problem at the ballot box, you know what, we believe in democracy. that's what we are all about. you know that's what our president fights for. i'm sad to see the republican party now no longer believes in that. i can tell you the democratic party believes in that. we will fight for everybody. that's the right thing to do. >> jaime harrison, chairman of the democratic national committee, thank you for joining us tonight. you can't help but notice his enthusiastic -- i'm with. you i get it. if you aren't enthusiastic that would be grim. i'm a journalist. optimism, right? 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george pataki defeating mario cuomo, that republican wins that competitive in the new york race. it's quite possible that a few new york democrats are not used to the idea. >> i just think that because we're talking about races, where in the margin of error, and then races where people are ahead by seven points, with the could be out. >> and let's keep in mind, in new york state democrats have a 2 to 1 majority voter registration, and new york city alone a 7 to 1 majority. that's widely zeldin coming within striking distance is so incredible. >> i think it's important to talk about the stakes of these gubernatorial races, effect we are talking about folks they will have the ability to certify elections, the fact we are talking him in many cases about stuffed it because of the overturning, a lot of the decisions are now being made at state levels. governors are either fighting the line of defense, or the one office that were completed. >> here's a counter to that argument. we talked to someone who says the dogs may prevail over fetterman in pennsylvania. they talk about that. exit josh shapiro, the democratic attorney general is looking likely to prevail over mastriano. why? why is mastriano -- republicans in that state are backing to shapiro, so why is it so obvious that in a tough state, josh shapiro is leading republicans? is it because mastriano is so odd? so fringe and extreme that in a state like pennsylvania which is a -- we've been talking about it swings both ways, and that it's a purple state, and it's proven himself to be a divider not a unifier. that was part of the closing message of josh appear in the end, when he gave the very powerful message that if you don't look like that mastriano, if you don't warship like doug must rihanna, if you don't pray like him, you're basically not welcomed in his pennsylvania. he put the cherry on the top by reminding everybody that doug mastriano was on the capitol steps, or at least in d.c.. and they watched how that fraud played out. it is a hack -- it is able to cast and has been successful in casting that mastriano as this extreme right fringe politician. >> and it comes to the point where he's just a good campaigner. i know it's not a sexy answer, but in addition to being somebody that is a unique political challenge, to your point against that great speech. but perhaps the future of the democratic party, i think that in a certain level of consistency. >> and i say one thing? with the governor's races, something interesting is that people like lee zeldin, obviously in the trump camp is different than the doug mastriano. brian kemp in georgia again, somebody who sees 2020 as suddenly saying to georgia voters, i'm not the trump guy. i actually stood up to trump, i upheld the integrity of the election. it's helping them a little bit, not to mention the economy in georgia is red hot. there are things working in his favor, where he can get the difference between him and trump. doug master arnaud has said that i'm going the opposite, i'm going all in on trump. and underscores that perhaps a little bit in this election, this can be a referendum on trump. it can be a referendum on trump. >> let's take it to arizona, for two weekends we've been in arizona. kari lake, running ahead of the secretary of state, katie hobbs in that state. it's all about election we earn us, and katie hobbs, the person that oversaw that, a lot of criticism with her in some cases were not debating kari lake. and for a level of excess louisiana miranda campaign that is not matching kari lake's. there are republicans, because there's a lot of republican arizonans who are not supporting kari lake because they think that she is to fringe. but she's running ahead right now. >> i know for certain and i spoke with people who are able to answer that question for me. if anything had that bizarre -- but then was going to swing the other way in the senate seat. letters that i spoke to didn't answer that question very freely. >> what i didn't understand is that in michigan and arizona, two states where the cross wind candidates are election deniers, and there are republicans who are struggling with the right now, but i don't know how big that struggle is. republican voters struggling with that. >> as what we're going to find out on tuesday, but we have to move on to another subject. that is -- where my looking? 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>> thanks so much for the question. thanks for having us. i just left michigan, where proposition three is on the ballot, and this energy that i felt across that state not only about passing proclamation three, but reelecting birch whitmer as the governor, and the ag. having the opportunity to make it in michigan, the democratic majority for the first time in decades. those are the things that i think motivating voters to get out to the polls. i've been in and around california where i know that energy on the ground is the same. and so in this moment, abortion is on the ballot. our right to reproductive freedoms, making decisions about our health care is on the ballot. i think the american people are going to be sending a message loud and clear on to this. >> we know that these abortion bans disproportionately impact women of color. your organization, authenticated to improving policies and systems around reproductive health for marginalized communities. what type of policies and actions do we need to see from lawmakers in order to protect the most vulnerable. >> what we need to see right now is expanded access, not more restrictions. what we need to see is that these politicians understand that our human rights of bodily autonomy something we must prioritize. what we need to see is that everyone needs to move at a rate we've never seen before to make sure we have what we need. i live in the state of georgia, right? we are battling an abortion ban right here right now. we are also in a state where we have an expanded medicaid. i live in a state were maternal mortality is on the rise. black women are doing more than white women in childbirth. -- we don't have access to ob/gyn's. the country we even look at georgia as one state, is in the midst of a health care crisis in general. what we need politicians to understand is that bodily autonomy is at the top of the list for everybody and we have to make sure we are expanding access and all the ways we can. that is what the people have asked for. they have not asked for bands. they have not asked for restrictions. they asked for more access to -- >> monica, the state -- the stakes are real, they are high. people are living with those steaks right. now i've got to ask you what i think is our big question as it pertains to this issue, which is, if tuesday night comes and republicans are not punished by voters for the overturn of roe v. wade, where do they take this fight next? >> tuesday is the beginning. i see it very clear, alicia. tuesday that were first opportunity for voters to be clear with elected officials -- tuesday is not the end. we still have pushed back against the national abortion ban. we will hold them accountable for would be acts against our will to keep all of them to account. if tuesday turns out in a different way -- tuesday shows the beginning. on thursday's new work. that's the great thing about this country, in my opinion. the power and strength of the american people. one election does not determine our destiny. but it is our continued work and i know emily's list will continue to work to elect democratic pro-choice women into the state legislature, the governors mansions, and at the federal level who will protect the rights of the majority and the majority will of the american people. tuesday is -- not the end of the battle. >> a lot of people say that there was great enthusiasm around this issue after dobbs. that enthusiasm has cooled. i think that's one thing to read in the poll. i think it's a completely different thing to talk to voters. i talk to voters in arizona and nevada. it was top of mind for so many women. so many men. your thoughts about that conventional wisdom? >> absolutely. i do believe it's top of mind for everyone right now. what's interesting that i've seen, i think you said it in what you've seen, people want to talk about this. for once, were able to talk about abortion. people want to talk about it because they want to ensure that they have access to what they need across this country. not one person running for office, not any election happening across this country, can ignore this as a very important issue for voters and something they must prioritize. if they have to put their voice to. i also think it's important to -- in the conversation today. people are voting for their values. at the end of the day, the values of the american people are so clear to us. it's clear that people want to live in a country where they are able to make their own decisions about their lives, their bodies, and their futures. it is particular topic is one that makes it so that we have to talk about this. it makes it so clear for people every single day. >> as you said, tuesday, just the beginning. thank you both so much for being with us. we will be right back with our final thoughts. you're watching msnbc's special midterm election coverage. challah dipped in vanilla cinnamon batter. french toast the way it's meant to be. try all three flavors. only at ihop. download the app and earn free food with every purchase. breakthrough heartburn... means your heartburn treatment is broken. try zegerid otc. it contains the leading medicine to treat frequent heartburn, uniquely designed for absorption. get all day, all night relief with zegerid otc. 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>> the four of us? >> i'm going to have a drink after this. >> seriously, good question. >> you know what? i don't know where we are headed. that's why i'm so looking forward to tuesday because the polls are all over the place. there are so many crosscurrents happening. we will not know until the votes are counted starting tuesday. i could take a week, maybe a couple of weeks, to really understand and know where the american people are, where they want to push the country. which issues do they actually care about. are they voting on abortion? are they voting about threats to democracy? are they voting about, my god, it's crime that is driving me to the polls. we don't know. and i think we, in this business, need to have -- even you stay at home pundits who think you know what's going to happen on tuesday. you don't know! have humility. let the american people speak. and then, once we know what they've told us, we can talk about. it >> my mom was like -- i know what's gonna happen on tuesday. you raise enough origin point. let's head expectations that we will have early glimmers. >> if there is anything tonight, we will all be here. we >> will all be here. you may know more during our hours. here's one thing i want to say. we all are looking for glimmers of hope here. i have to say, being in states, following some of the young folk who actually are doing the work of going door to door and making sure that everyone knows there's an election, know that they have to the right to vote, knows that there are polling places, that's hard work. the fact that people are dedicated. there are young folk so invested in all of these questions. and they see the long tail it's. not just about this election. it's about the next election. the future of democracy. it's about the future they want. the world they want to live in. the fact that they are out there in arizona, in the heat, going door to door, -- >> you can only hope people see that long tail. the short tale is inflation. the short tail, by the way, isn't jobs on the economy, because we've got a low unemployment rate, high wages, -- >> say it nice and slow. >> the long tale of this thing is democracy. it is a real challenge for some of these, particularly democratic candidates who are trying to point out that my point is anti democratic, an election liar, which is what they've started using because -- there is zero reason at this point to be denying an election. they are liars. people are worried about economics or other things? >> anxiety. >> it becomes very hard to walk into a game of the same time, to say i'm here for democracy and i'm here for the things that bother you on a daily basis. >> enough pessimistic note, i'm a realist. i look at the macro trans. i don't get preoccupied with some of the micro nuances, which are important, don't get me wrong. i looked at over the last several years -- that trend america is at the anti-democratic forces are squeezing this country at every level. undemocratic senate majority representation, undemocratic supreme court representation. presidents who win without a popular vote. gerrymandering districts in wisconsin. when you look at the totality of these trends and forces, it's not a good indicator. the lights are blinking red for this country. i hope that young people and others turn it around. to your point, i completely agree with you. you have to have the long game. you have to say, yes, i have some short term anxiety and struggles. i have to make sure that the vote on casting is a generational one, not reflective. >> notice how, when i say i'm gonna end on a pessimistic note, he's going to end on a pessimistic note. 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