she's obviously trying to signal that the courtroom is where they're doing most of the talking. she didn't delve into the specifics of the case and much of what our experts are reporting. lisa, you're nearby. we watched -- we don't have lisa. david kelly, former u.s. attorney for the southern district joins us. david, as mentioned, that was careful remarks. when you ran the sdny you would often say, look, don't expect dramatic speeches or long speeches because the trial is where you'll hear the arguments. now that we wrapped in court today, how strong do you think the case is and do you expect the judge to go to the $300 million mark in the fine? >> you know, it's an interesting question, ari. the two big points for the defense aside from the political