it's insane that's where we are. these kind of questions are lingering for more than a decade, with that kind of money on the table, while he has influence over the irs. and the irs is really not doing anything to look, in total, at his businesses, and how money flows between the two entities. >> harry, it is at this point only fair to say we don't know what we don't know, but from the outside it looks exactly as russ described it, that new york times could devote three people and to investigate this, it happens to be the same number of people the irs had. what is your reaction? and then i want to go through some of the things we've been talking about, about how we now know for certain that the reputation of a successful swashbuckling businessman was always a hoax. >> sure. look, we don't know what we don't know, but everything we have learned has not taken us by surprise. there has been a peace with the