and it's going to be important. >> chuck, let me ask you one more question about what we learned yesterday, having spent as many years as you did at the department of justice. what was your reaction to seeing in the senate judiciary committee's interim report the methodical, the near daily pressure campaign by the ex-president to enlist the justice department in his campaign or plot to overturn the election result? >> yeah. it's such a good question, nicole. so, i read the report. the interim report. and i had a couple of reactions to it. one, i was not at all surprised by what donald trump tried to do in overturning the election and pressuring top justice department officials to join him in his escapades. but i was also not surprised that many senior department of justice officials,including some trump political appointees, push back on him. there is an ethos at the department. look, it's not a perfect institution. the institution is comprised of human beings, it's imperfect, but there's an ethos that you do