and others for a rude question from someone like tim russert or someone that was going to probe them. let me ask you the rude q & a, jon meacham. >> sure. >> i accept all of that as true. it is also true through no fault of his own joe biden has now presided on the biggest roll back of access to the right to vote in modern american history. why isn't -- or if his hair is on fire, why don't we see it? >> well, it seems to me that to say he has presided over it is a little rough. >> he's been president. he didn't do it. he has been president while this country has seen the largest rollback in access to the polls in modern history, in this generation. >> right. so you have to -- so as we're celebrating the anniversary today, what you have to do is find the right role for the federal government to step into this constitutional question, which is that the states have the autonomy on this.