what rudy giuliani was doing. that's one thing. another is mike pompeo has political ambitions. it's an open secret, everybody knows it. he may run for senate in kansas. he seems himself as a presidential candidate. manag something like this could really damage him politically. one of the things we're looking for is how he navigates this. he's on an island right now. he doesn't have full backing that he has with the president. there's not that relationship there in the same way it was a few months ago and he's lost the building over at the state department where he doesn't have the support of the people who work there. how he moves forward as more and more continues to come out is going to be very interesting thing to watch. >> that's an interesting point. the question is never whether the men and women who go to work for donald trump will be embroiled in criminality and