why is it going so long? that's a good question. because the fishing isn't answering, right? >> well, like i said, i told you from the beginning, it's a pretty simple case. >> hold on a second, the other line's ringing. >> in the middle of the conversation, fred got another call, from frank jaramillo. fred puts him on hold, continues to speak with the detective. even offering a theory about the killer. nick harvey. >> you know the kid from port hueneme may have been someone that was associated with the lock change, it may have been someone that was associated with someone she met and tried to help. >> exactly. >> fred hung up with the detective and picked up his cell phone to talk to jaramillo. that call was also recorded. >> hello. did you hear a lot of that? >> kind of. >> okay. good. >> i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. >> how are you doing, bud? >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the -- so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it. it's unbelievable.