i'm not here to judge him. but i don't know how you not have compassion. >> a few weeks later, i learned that frank died in his hospice bed alone. back in my cell, i had a lot of time to reflect about everything i've seen. >> i have personally wrestled with this question of is prison punishment? because if it is punishment, it's pretty bad. is it a place of reform? you can certainly see efforts to reform here. i can't help thinking as we're, you know, talking to men incarcerated when they were teenagers i think of my own self at 16, 17 years old and it is all complicated. >> and now the two men i met that committed murders as