chargers. >> we're not going to dictate the format. these are taxpayer dollars. it can't just be a blank check. we have to make sure they're being spent effectively. >> we caught up with buttigieg talking shop with students at heartland community college in normal, illinois, home to a degree program, training a new wave of ev builders and technicians. these are the guys who will help get more electric cars on the roads and those cars are pretty pricey. the average cost for an electric car is more than $56,000, enough to leave many americans ot of the ev market. the auto industry is going all in on electric, planning to spend, $515 billion on evs in the next five years. toyota, gm, ford and bmw announcing massive investments to catch up to electric car leader tesla. >> we got to get the sticker price down, we have to accelerate these being produced on a widespread basis in the united states, and it's why we want more tax incentives to buy down the upfront cost.