that actually precedes the 2020 general election, and that's that there has always been this insistence from the republicans who control georgia to not go to paper ballots. that's something democrats had asked for. the system that was used in 2020 was new. and when they were choosing that system there were people who said why wouldn't you have people hand mark their ballots? it's more secure. it's less susceptible to fraud and, you know, someone who may want to -- you know, a bad actor, if you will. and that's not what the republicans who controlled the state chose to do. they chose to go with this new touch screen system. so now what you're seeing you're seeing people saying, well, this system still has vulnerabilities that could be taken advantage of. >> interesting. we're going to dig into this deep story about the fake electors in just a moment with my next guest. but the two individuals the