about january 6th is that this thing that happened. and what they don't understand, at least to me, is that this isn't something that happened. it's something that continues to happen. it's happening. so january 6th wasn't a failed insurrection. it was an unfinished coup. that is going on to this day. that's why democracy is under threat. and the people who are most likely to gaslight you and say that democracy isn't under siege are the same ones most likely to benefit from its demise. >> yeah, it's a really good point. hunter, yesterday congressman betty thompson, chairman of the house select committee investigating january 6th indicated they wanted to speak to the vormer vice president mike pence. what is the probability that pence will comply, and, b, what could we learn from his testimony given the fact that he was on the capitol or in the capitol that day?