the 2024 nominee. and mike pence has stepped out in this no man's land where he is not liz cheney or hogan, duncan or cristi. this idea that he thinks he can on the one hand and on the other hand this and not defend cheney and kinzinger is ridiculous. he has to be on one side or the other on preserving the constitution on who is telling the truth. >> there's always times for domestic politics as well. andrea mitchell is back with us with final thoughts from munich.