only hearsay witnesses, folks who weren't on the call, we already had the schedule that there were witnesses who were listening to the call who would be coming to testify in the next few days. so you have seen -- and you could see it coming down the line, this evolution of talking points and evolution of the republican defense. that's why i mentioned the other pillars. the only one i didn't mention would be the throw rudy under the bus defense. gordon sondland made it very clear he wasn't going to go down alone. if republicans decide that the last defensible position here is that rudy was ordering this and the president didn't know, maybe that will be the final defensive talking point here. but we haven't reached that barricade yet. >> all right, garrett haake, we're so lucky to have you up there for us, come back out whenever you can, we'll always break in and want to hear what you are learning. thank you, my friend. >> reporter: thanks, nicolle. >> go ahead, claire. >> i was going to say, the whistle-blower distraction is just as hollow. >> yeah. >> as these other defenses. because once everything started