whistleblower, we would not know about this conversation being placed on a secret server in order to keep it from the american public. and so really whoever this guy is, and we don't know who it is at this point, he will have an important place in history and i hope he becomes a role model for other people in the trump administration. you can come forward as a whistleblower and be protected. and it takes bravery, but he did the right thing. >> and we're joined on the phone now by john brennan, a national security analyst. director brennan, i want to ask you to pick up the thread that claire laid out on this whistleblower and tie it back to a conversation you and i have had countless days. this was another call about the house being on fire from the third floor bedroom of the white house. >> well, yes.