already has a civil trial scheduled in her civil fraud case, for october. we also know the manhattan d. a. expects to try his case, sometime in early 2024, to spring of 2024. that hasn't been decided. jack smith, if he brings indictment against donald trump, is going to have to slide himself in, in between those existing cases, and whatever case fani willis may or may not bring. >> here's the thing, david, mike pence knows that timing too. he's watching that timing to. i thought about what is former aide, olivia troye said, to my colleague, ali velshi, sort of the same thing you and i have said, they want to have their trump and eat it too. talk to me about this high wire act, this balancing act, that mike pence is doing, where he doesn't want to alienate trump voters, but he's also saying this was wrong. >> yeah, that's right, alicia. look, the fact that there are no republican presidential candidates going right at donald trump, tells us what their actual strategy is. which is to be in place should