him off. so what we're seeing is kind of an emotional response to that and whether or not they're able to bring him back to the table and have him sign off on whatever it is, it will be what joe manchin kind of wants it to be at this point. >> debbie, i got to ask you before i let you go because all of this is playing out against an ongoing pandemic. there was a big headline from your home state. nbc news reporting governor ron desantis allowed up to 1 million covid testing kits to expire. as i saw that headline, i was like, i got to know what debbie thinks about this. >> well, alicia, it's pure incompetence and negligence. we are imploding with covid. hospitalizations are rising, and desantis is completely in denial. and worse than that, he's actually helping spread misinformation regarding the effectiveness of tests and vaccines. he's trying to shut down testing centers. he is not providing that support to open up state-sponsored testing sites. he thinks that tests don't really help during this pandemic. we have a surgeon general also