who the whistle-blower is. how did this investigation start? and they totally are avoiding the evidence. we know why. if you read the transcripts that came out the last week, and i did that. well over thousands of pages now. it's clear -- any lawyer would love this case. multiple witnesses testifying to the same thing. multiple quid pro quos. even had fiona hill, the top russia expert at the nsc saying she believed or worried at the time that rudy giuliani who was in the mix here was breaking the law. so tremendous -- a tremendous case and so jim jordan and all the others, all they can do is get out there and distract and try to turn it into a circus so that people don't pay attention to these very basic, damning, incriminating facts. >> walter dellinger, do you see crimes here beyond the unspeakable corruption being exhibited by the trump administration? do you see crimes having been committed by people in trying to get this scheme to happen? >> well, my duke university