arguably probably since the civil war. and it's still not over, of course. the fbi continues to arrest and charge more and more people by the day. scott macfarlane has been following all the details of these cases and he joins me now. scott, let's start with the former police officer, robertson, and his case. a sort of remarkable brief, i have to say, by his defense attorneys who, again, it's their job to advocate for their client. but i'm not quite sure the judge is going to buy it. >> it's striking, chris, for a few different reasons. first of all, his defense lawyer in this filing is arguing that mr. robertson, there's no evidence he had the guns. but if he did have the guns, they're antique guns because he's an antique gun hobbyist. put those specifics aside. here's where we are. six months after the insurrection, so many back and forth arguments from defendants and prosecutors over whether to simply be held in jail pending trial. trial itself, that's a long ways off.