how did you conceptualize that? >> that's a beautiful thing about film and creativity. we'll figure it out. when someone says how do you do it, on this one, this is an anthropological faces, truly. this is a call to action, in many ways. it's facts, it's, figures some anecdotes that have a few characters here and there. but not a story in a sense that i can adapt a beginning, middle, and then. >> exactly. >> so i was hunting for the way in. i know i don't want to make a documentary, documentaries are what i used to convey information, but i want people to feel a motion and empathy. so the best way to do that is factors. so i was searching for characters in the book, maybe i'll make it like crash, that film, interlocking stories. i was trying to think of all the ways to do it, then isabelle started to rise from the pages. occasionally she will use first person to describe her research and what she's doing to put these thesis together. i started to look at the places where she said i did this, my journey here, and started to think, wow, what has she guided us through? >> what i love about it is the story ends up her putting the