fact that they keep coming, every time you get shot down you just keep saying reconsider, like that is not normal. >> that relates to the question i want to ask you, olivia, as someone who is covered trump for a while now. there are people in his circle who will say sometimes anonymously and sometimes like bring it on. everything seems like he really doesn't want to be there, doesn't want this to happen. >> clearly doesn't want to be there. i've seen him a lot of different settings, in the white house, trump tower, mar-a- lago you name it, i spent a lot of time with this man and i was really not prepared for the sight of him in that courtroom today. it's this very drab space with terrible lighting and all kind of neutrals and he comes in technicolor orange and with the golden hair and the sky blue suit and he looks unreal, like a poppy flower or something in the desert, and it is so strange to see him in that context but no power. he kind of sprung up at the end of this hearing after his

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