events. it's not the white house itself. but they contact the white house. so yes, that was my contact. for the fifth and sixth. caroline ryan. and that's what i called white house contact. and she's there that day behind the stage with the trumps and the family. >> have to say that -- i find it funny that he goes and, he pleads the fifth. he says, look, i don't wanna -- >> and then he goes on his show, and there's this woman, caroline run, i can give you her cell phone number if you want. you get a sense here that this is not nothing, even to someone sort of pugilistic as alex jones claude >> right, you can see how careful he is being here, because jones is not someone who's necessarily known for his position and karen terms of how he frames things. he is trying to speak in a way that's not gonna cross any boundary. i think he's talked about very loosely about his connections