fifth. to be clear, pleading the fifth means that you are trying to protect yourself against criminal charges. so what the committee did is that we proceeded with the efforts to hold him in contempt. what i think that anybody who has been called before this committee and the american people should understand from the bannon contempt as well as initiating the clark contempt proceedings is that we will allow no one to be above the law and no one to stall the investigations of this committee. so that's why we are moving forward to pre-position. we will allow him an opportunity this weekend to appear before us again. if we -- let's see what he does before our committee this weekend, whether he had a change of heart about whether he will cooperate and do his patriotic duty. >> my understanding is the

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