elections. we watched the insurrection on january 6th. devastating to people in the capitol. ultimately, it failed. but what is being developed right now? the next attempt to overturn the election will be more subtle, more nuanced, more legalistic and likely going to be far more dangerous for the country. rick hassan has an article called trump is planning a more respectable coup the next time. he joins me now. depending on you for analysis for years and years and years, and i've noticed that you have been as unnerved by the revelations about what clark was up to as i have been and explain why that is. >> well, i'm just saying i was worried during the period between the time we held the election and january 20th when