about, they're about listening, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of that going on. i heard a story. that was fascinating. it goes all the way back to a constitutional convention when william dave was arguing for a impeachment clause in the constitution itself as it was being drafted. and a fellow was adamantly opposed, but he listened. and he listened and he heard davy's argument, heard ben franklin argument for the inclusion of an impeachment clause, and eventually he stood up and he said three remarkable words -- i was wrong. we need this. i listened and it made sense. to my thinking as a prosecutor the facts are overwhelming, they're compelling. whether or not it's impeachable is a political judgment but gosh i wish people would listen to one another. >> i was talking to congressman