without knowing absolutely for sure what was going on. when the president said i want nothing, no quid pro quo, it certainly sounded like a classic example of someone protesting too much and someone using a term they had heard somebody else use. of course it was widely observed trump sort of asserting affirmatively that he didn't want a quid pro quo really wouldn't make sense in the course of the conversation sondland described unless the president himself knew that he was facing allegations of having engaged in that kind of a behavior. and "the new york times" story basically firms up the assumption that a lot of folks had been making, which is that he knew what was going on when m he went into that conversation h with the eu ambassador. >> swin, there's sort of documentsre coming out from internal white house review from the omb aid being held up, some questions about when it was held up.p, it does strike me as significant you actually had people in omb who apparently resigned over it, and also reporting suggesting