and when he says why do we care what happens 7,000 miles away i think he forgot that al-qaeda also is 7,000 miles away on september 11th and by pulling away and abandoning, we are making ourselves less safe and we're not going to have allies the next time around with had we try to fight groups like isis. >> you've written about american intervention in the middle east and how disastrous much of it has been in terms of the u.s. facilitating what's happening in yemen through the saudis and the war in iraq. to people that are watching this and thinking to themselves i see folks like liz cheney and lindsey graham and people proponents of constant military intervention in the region that has been disastrous and costly to the folks in the e are john first and foremost, to americans, to american lives, to american treasure and are saying there's always the argument to stay, what makes this different to those people -- to people that are thinking that way? >> there's two separate things, chris. first of all, when trump said he's ending the wars in the