new york, he will be the first former president to appear i court as a criminaldefendant nbc news has learned that he's facing about 30 counts related to document fraud. they stem from manhattan da, alvin bragg,'s investigation into the hush money paymen made to adult film actress stormy daniels now, trump's indictment is expected to remain sealed unti tuesday afternoon. that's when he's scheduled t turn himself in for an arraignment. today, we are getting ne details on how the dramati moment will unfold the former president wil arrive in new york city monday night on tuesday around 1 pm he will be driven from trump tower to the courthouse. as of now, the former presiden will not be handcuffed photographed for a mugshot, no placed in a holding cell however, he will b fingerprinted. trump's lawyer, making clear h intends to fight the charges >> - hold up in mar-a-lago, so we will fix this and we will be successful, i'm sure president trump will not take plea deal in this case, no going to happen, there is no crime. >> meanwhile, brand-ne reaction from stormy daniels she's telling the london-based times radio what outcome she hopes to see >> it is revealed that i was telling the truth, i didn't li about anything, all the detail come out, and all th misconceptions are cleared up, and that, you know, a person i power is not exempt from the law. no matter what your job is o your bank account says tha you're held accountable for th things you've done and said, and justice is served. >> several republican lawmaker are rallying to trump's defense, including marjorie taylo greene, who's calling fo protests, saying she will be i new york city on tuesday earlier today, democrati congresswoman, maxine waters responding here on msnbc >> he has been indicted an there is nothing that she ca do about it at this point. as a matter of fact, she has a reputation for being outrageous, someone that's not to be taken seriously and so, she will jus continue with that reputatio they're going to protest but, she cannot, in any way, interfere with justice, at thi point. >> we have several reporters i place for you, covering all th new developments from florida, to the white house, to capitol hill so, we're going to begin wit nbc's vaughn hill. you're standing by in west pal beach, florida for us. ivan, we know donald trump wil appear before the new york judge on tuesday, but what can you tell us about how things are going to play out? >> right, alex that's the big question. once he gets to new york city, where about 48 hours from th point in which we anticipate his motorcade leaving hi mar-a-lago private club fo palm beach international airport. at that point, they will fly t laguardia airport in queens, new york he will then drive to trum tower, where he will remai overnight. and then right now, the curren anticipation is, from sources, that he will drive about fou miles with his motorcade fro trump tower, his old residents on early monday afternoon, t that lower manhattan courthouse, which is just across the stree from the manhattan distric attorney's office. at this point, it is unclear whether he will get a mugshot. but he will go through his arraignment, officia arraignment, and this is a moment for donald trump that has led to a lot of scrutiny and, of course, and ypg an secret service, having ful preparations underway. take a look. >> former president, donal trump, behind closed doors posting a flurry of attack against the manhattan district attorney as he prepares to surrender to please next week, after historic indictment. mr. trump, riding on frida night, now they've gone to far. how much more are american patriots expected to take? sources tell nbc news, the former president will face som 30 charges related to document fraud. when he's formally arraigned i new york on tuesday. the case centers around allege hush money payments made to porn star on his behalf in 2016 mr. trump denies any wrongdoing mr. trump plans to fly towar the airport in new york city o monday night, staying over a trump tower. and then surrender himself o tuesday at the courthouse in lower manhattan, where he will be fingerprinted, booked, an formally charged on friday, stormy daniels an the adult film star at the center of the inquiry canceled the schedule tv area due t security concerns. but she did speak on the phone the times of london, saying th former president is no longe untouchable and that she's ready to take the stand. >> i'm not afraid, i hav nothing to hide. i look forward to tellin everyone what i know >> meanwhile, in aftermath o mr. trump's indictment republicans flooding to hi defense. >> give the president some money to buy this bs >> this is nothing short of political prosecution. >> congressional democrats wer defending bragg's decision t indict >> no one should be above th law. >> mr. trump's daughter, ivank trump, posting on instagram, i love my father and i love my country. today, i'm pained for both all of this, playing out i front of an increasingly divided nation >> he is being raked over th coals for something ridiculous >> the man has evaded lega ramifications for so long, it' time something happens >> and alex, trump's presidential campaign says tha they have raised over $4 million since the indictment became formal, which jus speaks to the staying power of donald trump politically through all of this. i like >> yeah, that's really incredible stay right where you are, if you have a few more question in just a moment let's go now to nbc's -- at the white house for us with new reaction from presiden biden and his administration tell me what you are hearing and are their different public and private stances on the matter, or are they one of the same >> well alex, this white house this biden administration is being very careful in no commenting on the lega problems in the indictment o former president trump president biden has been asked about this repeatedly, and s far, he's continuing to say he has no comment take a listen to him on th white house blog jus yesterday. >> what's your reaction to the president trump indictment >> i'm not going to talk about trump's indictment >> so, you see that th president really - we know that his administratio -- saying that they wanted to mak sure the justice department an the legal department, and loca da, is that they were all goin to be able to act independentl and without politica influence. so, you really have the bide administration sticking to that i think privately, when i' talking to sources, they'r also sticking to that. in some ways, on the political and it reminds me of 2020 an the election, where presiden biden, then candidate biden, was really sinking back an watching is former president trump in a number of things, including, of course, deal wit the coronavirus pandemic, in a way that a lot of american found problematic, as well, as of course, spreading a bunch o election lies. so, i think in this case president biden's content to hang back and not move politically, because there's not really much he can say t benefit him. but also, i think legally as the president of the unite states, he doesn't want to b seen as -- alex >> yeah, definitely point well taken. there used to ground as well my friend, if you don't mind because i also want to bring i he will, lowball it ghou investigations reporter from the guardian, as well as harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, president of constitutional la at u.s. sailor, also host of the talking feds podcast here we go, gang harry, rather hugo, this one t you because in your new article, you reported the news of the indictment cut trump and his team completely off-guard. how was trump's team told abou the charges and why were the so surprised we all remember trump told the world he would be arrested almost two weeks ago >> yeah, look, i was actuall talking to a bunch of trum people when the indictment new broke and at least some of the learned about the news via the new york times is breaking u alert. so, they really learned abou it along with everyone else, and then they peeled off t strategize with trump, who had actually spent the morning dealing with a bunch of dail mail stories that he was tryin to get taken down. and so, i think this was not how they wanted to hear abou the indictment certainly, some of the aides who have been in palm beac were waiting for the indictmen to drop for several weeks. actually went back t washington the day the indictment came down, then had to hardly go back to palm beac once again to be with th president. and so, you know, i think it kind of encapsulates the wider issue of they don't have, or did not have, any informatio about some charges they still don't and the didn't know the timing and so, they basically learned the way that everyone else did >> harry, there were multipl reports that the new york gran jury was going to go on a brea until late april, after th holidays was that a likely scenario for you? was that messaging unintentional misdirection and if the latter, why would the da's office want to keep things under wraps >> yeah, we just don't know an it's all so soon in the tsunam of actual indictment remember that long hiatu announcement did come from the court, and the court administration was just sort o on the calendar. brag, you know, the table ha been fully set for ten days an people were scratching their heads, including me, because i did seem that there was no way he was going to back out doing it suddenly, i think, di kind of make it, in some ways, less tumultuous than i could've been. we have the, you know, it went from, what solid security doing? to an indictment in about half hour. i doubt it was purposefu misdirection, but he playe brag a pretty smart and game where he really, really kept things under wraps, in a professional way and that, at least, you know -- for a professional prosecution going forward. i don't think we will know exactly why it was a surprise. >> understood. so hugo, i know a couple weeks ago, you reported that trump wanted to be handcuffed, wante to make a spectacle of his arrest now that his arraignment i imminent, does he still want t be handcuffed in public? what are you hearing on that >> yeah, it's difficult to get a sense of what trump feels at this moment. you know, his mood has fluctuated in recent weeks he's gone from real ange towards the fact that he was going to get indicted, to this resignation that if he was going to get indicted than, yo know, might as well come to ne york and he wanted to be handcuffed, and he was ver specific to aids about, yo know, he wanted his hand behind his back and so he coul project -- >> hang on a second. wait, wait he wanted his hands behind his back we don't even see that anymore don't we see people with handcuffed in front? so, he wanted to take the extr dramatic step to show himself, like, oh, you know that's strange just saying. >> no, he was very specific in that instruction and he kind o took his aides by the surprise they did not anticipate this level of insistence from trump certainly when he then said, you know, i don't care if it's a security concern, i want t be a martyr, i think tha solidified in that moment what trump wanted then at the indictment, when i actually came down, hi response was much more muted and he was trying to take it i think it's one thing to be - potential indictment and i think harry would agree that once you actually get hit with an indictment, that's completely different story and -- was actually designed to - >> yeah, reality can b sobering so, harry, nbc reports tha trump is facing about those 30 counts of falsifying documents but the specific charges wer made remain under seal presumably until he' arraigned. any likelihood under the charges he will face, give what you know about the case >> yes, i mean, basically that number of charges, alex, suggests that the separate 1 checks to michael cohen in the stormy daniels chaos are all being conceptualized as crime. they wouldn't have to be, bu that is how bragg is treatin it, and maybe has multiple crimes, depending on whether there are tax consequences o business false reporting consequences, as well. in addition then, i'm dustin off my high school math to divide by three and see if there's one left over, because there may also be a lot of everything, a conspiracy count involving not just trump, bu possibly david pecker, the las witness in the grand jury. and that's what we will see. the numbers are little deceiving in that way, but whether there is a conspirac and the exact legal theory everyone's going to be ver interested >> pecker being the former owner of the national enquirer when all of this was going down okay, so von, i know you are talking about the difference in the arraignment process for trump. who's behind all that? i mean, is there some kind o negotiation? do you know what's going on to try to make this palpable fo both sides, the da and trump's team >> right, surely after the indictment was issued from the grand jury, at that point is when the district attorney's office placed a phone call t trump's attorney, to notif them of course, donald trump still, himself and his attorneys, don't even know the specific charges. but that's where the conversations began, as to wha day he would be arraigned. ultimately, it appears tha this is going to work the easy way. of course, the concern was tha donald trump would not comply. he will not voluntarily fly to new york for this arraignment. at that point, there would'v had to be negotiations between law enforcement in new york, a well as here in florida. and between the governor's offices and ran desantis had already suggested that he woul not go as far as to extradit donald trump but based off of trump's own attorneys here at this point it appears that he will, o monday, fly out. at that point, it's in the hands of the nypd, as well a the secret service we are told that secret servic will be with him every step of the way, and they're a integral part of this, part of the reason why he's not to b handcuffed and also part of th reason why it appears, at this point, there's no public display of donald trump out in the streets in manhattan a this point because they want to keep hi out of the public eye. alex >> let's face it trump is the type of guy you typically takes his ow council. so it is still possible but he may decide, yeah, i don't go o monday, and who knows them but denise, relative to th business from washington, ho much might all of this be wing on the dealings of congress? how much of a distraction ha trump's indictment become? >> well is clearly a topic tha is going to be coursing throug congress and reporters are going to be asking lawmakers about. it yard have house speaker kevin mccarthy saying that he' going to hold the da brad -- rack accountable what that actually, means we will see we are have three republican led committees in the hous investigating that the investigation that he's doin here you have also democrats ar saying that it's dangerous territory for congress to be seen as politicizing and meddling in a prosecution, a possible prosecution indictmen of the former president. so it is really i think it's always going to be a tough topic for congress but i am not sure how an lawmaker, and all of this goin on in new york, how an lawmaker is not gonna be questioned about this daily. because if you know, just an covering former president trump, knowing who he is. he's gonna be out there talking, he's gonna be releasin statements, he's gonna b fundraising. and every single time you have that happen, you have reporter like, me like vaughan, so many of our colleagues asking republicans in particular, whe you make about this latest think when you make of thi latest development not to mention that there are number of other legal issues that could be percolating alon the way. as new york's case along so a lot definitely to tal about here in washington and a lot to deal with a lawmakers try to do some business with congress, alex >> totally true. last question to you, i woul appreciate a quick answer, how long might take to get to th trial, and is this a guarantee it goes to trial, as there any chance of a pretrial settlement, and the bargaining for discharges in a case like this you know me, after 1 million questions, but you can g succinctly >> yes, no pretrial settlement it could be up to a year i think will actually be lappe by mar-a-lago, which we want t going for us >> wow, you are so good at that thank you very much all of you very good. hugo, harry, and he, ron, than you guys so. much in the meantime, he's got a message, but he was listening? for the governor of desantis o the road again, details in 6 seconds. muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon 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how much other various republican sentiments affectin the dynamic there on capitol hill were you guys even able to get any sort of bipartisan wor done with this tenor of things >> let me say, i mean, the tenor of things isn't even right. this is been the tenor, we lived through an insurrection, right? i was not there, but colleague of mine were running afraid fo their lives. you know, because of the rhetoric of donald trump and this party so, the tenor is not new, but do think it's funny that, yo know, a party of people who sa that they are for law and orde are suddenly not, right? what we're really realizing is that the whole time, the point was that people like the aren't supposed to have thei behavior criminalize, right? it's supposed to be people lik me, people from communitie like mine, where our behavio is colonel eyes. so, this is a whole shift in their hypocrisy. so, unsurprising, but -- you know, they have the powe to do things for america people we could focus on the budget we could focus on the crises that we have before us, bu there are two things that lead us to the distraction an they're choosing it for reason >> we have not these as office as you well know, they'r pushing back against three house gop chairman for what it calls unlawful political interference in a new letter in response to requests for information and testimony, rags general counse urge him to quote use th stature of your office t counter these attacks. and urged respect for th fairness of our justice system and the work of the impartia grand jury and so the gop led committee that you are on is among those trying to compel testimony fro the da, you heard the response from bragg's office. why are your republica colleagues not respecting th way our system of justice works? why are they demanding information in the ongoing criminal prosecution from legal arena outside the federa government >> because for ages, they have used the system of justice t meet their ends. their political ends their economic ends. this is outside of the norm fo them they are accustomed to be able to do this, right? but da bragg's under sen right. this is a political and corrup requests that they are making. they know, that and that's why the overseers of the oversee and judiciary committees did not ask for committee subpoena they know full well that the do not have the right to interfere in states usua process. >> okay. let's talk about something ver sobering as well this week the debate over gun control, certainly growing this wee after monday's tragic an deadly shootings there and tha church school in nashville on the house floor and wednesday, you asked her republican colleagues to start putting their politics over ou children's lives your cosponsor of the assaul weapons ban in 2023. have you heard from an republican colleagues, privately even, about this is there any when you think yo might support? it there any republicans who are worried that gun violenc could actually affect thei loved ones at some point >> but violence already does affect their loved ones. you know, we have had, over dozen school shootings already this year. we have seen a steady increase every year and gun violence, particularly in mass shootings this is indiscriminate if you could go to a school, and they are at risk so they know this, they ar making a sacrifice, and they are saying that the sacrific of our kids is with th political payoff to ou lobbyist, to our donors, for our cultural war, and that i what they're leaning into. i've heard nothing more from m colleagues than what we hear on the steps of the house from the member of congress who represents that district where we saw another mass shooting this week. and what he said is that there's nothing else that we can do, there's nothing else that we are willing to do, and so we have to continue to pu our foot on that because if we allow them, they will change the subject, we let them b comfortable, and we will continue to ignore the fac that every day, we are normalizing babies in body bags >> i respect the fact that you are behind this sullivan's bee 2023 do not let up. pennsylvania congresswoman summerlea, thank you so much for joining me we have some breaking news some pictures after a tornad outbreak battered the south an the midwest. well that story is next fo you. and a bit later, you know ho you feel about it and how th analysts on our air feel about it, but what about you neighbors? 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polling suggests remains to be the leading republican candidate for 2024 and so when it comes to what we're hearing on the ground, not just over the next coupl of days, but including her today in the nation's capita is really altogether unsurprising minds and opinions really just aren't being changed, but th opinions are pretty strong o this take a listen. >> consequentially, it may not come out to that much, and i think having to see this through, especially with the former president and actuall putting it towards action to new former president reall shows that okay, we want t keep people accountable. >> i think for the last what for five years, it's bee incredibly frustrating tha we've gotten a sense of th president is above the law which should not be the case nobody should be above the law >> i think when it comes t trying to summarize the impact the indictment is having o voter opinions, i think bottom line, those who have vehementl steadfastly been against and opposing former presiden donald trump, this is somethin that they say is a major issue that should disqualify him those who have stood by him an its steadfast importers, sayin that this makes no difference. these are, many of them ar buying large the same people that believe that he won the election, that there was election fraud, and there was quinnipiac poll that was released this week that roughl 60% of those who had participated in this poll said that criminal charges file against trump should disqualif him, and roughly 40% said it should not, and alex the interesting thing is that th majority of those who said the should disqualify him or democrats, and majority have said that should not disqualif him where republicans. >> and that's not a surprise what can i say given the disparate chasm here in this country. thank you for that update from d.c. it was quite a capitol hill, then trump's usual allie fighting his indictment. marjorie taylor greene tweeting, i'm going to new york on tuesday. we must protest incompetent -- unconstitutional witch hunt. lauren boebert tweeting, get angry and start fighting t save america and matt gates calling it witch hunt joining me now is alenci johnson, political strategist, and senior adviser for president biden's 2020 campaign, and chief impact officer of te 63 west broad, and kur bardella, democratic strategis and former gop spokesperson fo the house oversight committee. welcome to you both. so alencia, you have marjori taylor greene coming into ne york, the same day that trum is scheduled to be arraigned given her message asking mag faithful to protest, and a that boebert asking people t get angry and start fighting what art do you expect to se on tuesday >> oh my goodness. i am hoping that we don't se something that we saw on january 6th at the capitol obviously, we've seen marjorie taylor greene say that she wanted it to be even mor violent. and so she is going to drum up her base but i think what we have see this week, as you will have ha people in manhattan, there hav been several news cameras in manhattan, and they're a lot o people who are actually anti trump votes, who believe tha he is not against the law an he should be indicted. and so it will be, i think i will be interesting, but i'm actually concerned their protests are extremely violent. these people literally see him as a martyr, which is crazy, acting like this man i literally nelson mandela whe he is literally a crooke criminal who is elected as the president of the united states and so i'm concerned about wha we might see on tuesday, because we saw these peopl come to washington d.c. an january six, 2021, and it migh do the same thing. >> but one thing that you won' be surprised from is tha trump's fundraising off of his indictment he is selling some i stand wit trump t-shirts he's asking people to donate money. we now know the former president raised more than $ million in the 24 hours afte the news broke 25% of that coming fro first-time donors. that is according to his staff how much of a spectacle to think he is going to make on tuesday? and by the way, is this what republicans overall want to se her? or just a maggot faithful? >> i think it's what america faithful want to see, and think again, we've seen time and again now a lot of voters, real people in america, said they want to move on and focus on the things that actuall affected day-to-day life this might be a spectacle, and really a publicity stand, bu there's real grave jeopard going on here. these people like marjorie taylor greene or lauren boebert, they might as well just be putting out their trial by combat because that is what they're really calling for we know after january six, it' not just empty rhetoric, it' not just for show, it's no just performative. the people who absorb this typ of content, they take it literally. they see it as marching orders hence all of the people who ar in jail right now because they listen to donald trump and really giuliani and did what they told him to do on january six. and the idea that we're goin to repeat that cycle now i just downright disturbing. and it's also a result o republicans in power who kno better, who no privately sai it was terrible on january six but still publicly maintaine this posture that this is th right way to express you political differences. >> yeah. we still saw trump's potential republican political rivals ar coming to his defense. let's take a listen to forme vice president mike pence. >> let me just say, i thin that the president indictmen of the former president th united states for campaign finance issue is an outrage. >> and then florida governor ron desantis called th indictment weaponization of th federal government, an american, and says that he won't assis an extradition but kurt, even ivanka trum posted a measured somewhat wea statement on instagram what is behind all of this, commentary >> i mean, this is what is killing here after the midterm election for republicans, dramaticall underperformed expectations, w are all the charter that wow we need to do somethin different, we need t recalibrate, we have another autopsy invite out what went wrong, and here they are now with the opportunity to take the exit lane away from donald trump. take the off ramp away from al of this nonsense, instead, o taking it, they stay on th trump freeway. and i can't for the life of me understand why they thin that's going to be welcome after what we just saw happening to them in november. the reason why republicans are have the majority in the senat right now is because they clun to this type of cold light mag figure like herschel walker, like kari lake, like what we saw happen in pennsylvania it's a doubling down on that i a political loser. it was a loser for them in 2018, and 2020, in 2022, and s anytime going forward alex tha we hear anybody run with the idea of republicans want t moving on from trump, that i just nonsense, because the have been given every chance t do that, and if they won't wal away from him when he is indicted, they're never goin to walk away from him. >> i mean there are those that say that 35% of republican will never walk away from him, and so there's that. and so alencia, we heard marissa parra talking abou this new quinnipiac university survey taken just before trump was indicted 54% of registered voters say that charges should disqualify trump's presidential bid but then you look at the party and almost democrats independents say colonel charges should disqualify him, only 23% of republicans agree, which goes back to what i wa just saying. health 35% are with him for th rest of their lives probably how do you see though th indictment influencing overall the republican race, and wha are democrats watching for >> so, i have a very interesting perspective that i have been on a debate with wit people, not on television, but i will say it here this is actually >> and to b honest, it might clinching the nomination, which is very scar for the republican party because they would have to follow him however, if he still happens t be the nominee, there are so many people in this country, democrats, independents, i some republicans who would not want him to be president o united states. and so there are so many reasons for people to rall against him, but the scaries part of this poll is showing the republican party, and this is what poppy was just sort of talking about. they're a lot of republicans that are still with them whether not they want to be, i think some of it is a bit of fear they realize they cannot win without his base, they don't t be on the other side of donald trump's flame throwing and bullet spray but the reality is, this has riled up the bait, and so we will see what happens next wee when he turned himself in. which is the scariest part o where our society has gone especially because he is a ver privileged, politician and ver wealthy. if you look like me, if he was a black man who did not have access, or anything, this woul be a completely different story. >> it's like they're thinkin about short term gain and no thinking about the long term pain, but they may have to address that okay you guys, good to see you both, alencia and kurt, than you very much. meantime, the show can go on for now, but plenty of hur remains. what to make of the ne development in tennessee's track show ban drag show back too. 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