>> yes, good points all them there. interestingly, jonathan, in the final minutes of the trial on friday as donald trump was standing to leave the courtroom, the judge firmly told donald trump, sir, can you please have a seat? that moment has come to represent the stripping of control from a man who used to be the most powerful person in the united states, some could argue in the world. how could you -- how does this impact donald trump's psyche? >> well, first of all, i was in the courtroom when it happened and it was a stunning, dramatic moment. you know, you have a former president of the united states who since the time he was a little boy never listen to anything -- anyone about anything. he was sent to military academy for being disobedient. ever since, he has never sat down when someone told him to. in this case, he had to. he sat down meekly, like the obedient little boy he never was and it was quite striking and i think it symbolizes that he is not the most powerful