see this as a new religion. >> yes. >> christian nationalism. >> it's christian nationalism, and there's a point at which christian nationalism departs so much from the tenants of traditional evangelicals that it just becomes on the fate. >> and not to invoke the name of your storied place of work, but it is vice signaling, as the new york times puts it, rather than virtue signaling, that the rage is the homily, if you will. and that this isn't a temporary thing that is necessarily a phenomenon of the trump era, but it is awakened in the heart of america. something much darker, tess, a rage, and in anger, and a grievance that's going to be very hard to put back in the bottle, if you will. i also think there's a danger of christian nationalism, they're not just doing trump's bidding, they feel like they're doing god's bidding, that they have this higher authority or justification going forward for