but most people don't. the net effect on the justice system, i think, tests, could be profound, as you look at all these judges who are facing these direct threats from the plaintive. >> the threats against, and this is how the landscape has evolved. rather than the street based mobilization's that we were seeing in 2020 leading to january 6th, now it's a diffuse environment, threat environment, where elected officials, election officials, election workers -- judges >> judges who rule unfavourably towards a former president. lawmakers, democrats are even republican, more so republicans, moderate republicans who don't stay in line. it's not just limits their families that get the torrent of death threats. that has been an ongoing issue for a few years and becoming worse. >> i would also say, in addition to this real fear that it creates, it's sets a kind of